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"I'm leaving because of a misogynistic culture that gleefully consumed my naked pictures, capitalized on my sexuality and enabled my abusive ex to continue that abuse." http://abcn.ws/2PAIELM
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demmiblue
(36,837 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)I knocked doors for her. I will proudly do it again when the time comes.
bucolic_frolic
(43,122 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)She was abused and she is being punished for it, this make me mad as hell.
We MUST get tougher. We have a criminal syndicate in the WH and we're resigning over this??
Both Franken and now Hill are being shamed over nothing. It's a disgrace.
I think this is a perfect example of the double standard that's been applied towards women - especially Democratic women - in Congress. Nancy Pelosi can still speak out on Katie Hill's behalf, and I hope she does.
I understand that she probably doesnt want to face the slobbering GOP men who are studying her photos in minute detail, but I hate that shes leaving.
Plus, it sounds like this was a set up.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)isn't Revenge Porn illegal in California?
barbtries
(28,787 posts)she would have had no peace. My take is she is resigning to save her peace of mind and try to get a life back, not because she was exploited by terrible men. and not because she had an inappropriate relationship with a staffer.
i begged Al Franken not to resign, but I think it's asking a hell of a lot of Katie Hill to open herself up to so much abuse.
Jose Garcia
(2,592 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)unethical conduct as a congresswoman that she apparently can't prove wrong. She admitted one, denied the other, but resigned instead of undergoing house ethics investigation.
The pix are an embarrassment and smear.
It's not the photos -- everyone recognizes she's the victim concerning those.
It's fucking staffers, and consensual or not, there are House rules against it. While I'm angered that she resigned over something other people seem to get a pass on, I'm more angry that we now have to fight to save a seat we barely managed to flip.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)who truly never suspected she was the sort who could fail us like this, not with impressive leaders bringing her along.
"But others get away with it" isn't a standard, and I'm sorry to hear her underlining the issue with that complaint instead of leaving with dignity. The "one standard for all" thing is about holding everyone up to it, not letting the lowest denominators all decide what that'll be.
Oh, well.
BigMin28
(1,176 posts)One of his many affairs was with a staffer.
eissa
(4,238 posts)does not give her pass. Just because they dont have standards doesnt mean we shouldnt live up to ours. We either abide by the ethics rules we establish, or we ignore them the way they do.
treestar
(82,383 posts)that is, if the Rs get away with it, is it really a cultural standard?
BigMin28
(1,176 posts)But if others violate those same rules, why are the rules not enforced? Or are they just suggestions that only our side, the Democrats, must abide by?
Same goes for laws. The wealthy and well connected seem to live by a different set of laws than the rest of us. They rarely do any time when convicted, and rarely seem to have to pay restitution for those violations that are anywhere near what was stolen. Case in point...I believe if Bernie Madoff had not stolen from the wealthy, he wouldn't have had all his money taken in forfeiture. And quite possibly would have received a lesser sentence.
Dorian Gray
(13,488 posts)I assume you don't want sitting in office. So, yeah.
Kate Hill's actions were problematic. She's a victim of revenge porn, for sure, and I hope she sues the shit out of the people who released her photos. And wins.
But potentially abused her position and chose to resign rather than suffer through an investigation and hearings about it. Could be bc she was pressured by leadership. But there is a reason why.
I hope the district stays blue.
Politicians need to do better.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Let the ethics investigation run, take whatever censure comes from it, and mush on. This is not that big of a deal.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)In stark contrast with Katie Hill, who was willing to resign for far less in the way of wrongdoing.
whopis01
(3,506 posts)and the other allegations, which are being made by her ex-husband, have not been substantiated.
The House Rule reads:
"A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not engage in a sexual relationship with any employee of the House who works under the supervision of the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, or who is an employee of a committee on which the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner serves. This paragraph does not apply with respect to any relationship between two people who are married to each other."
She admitted to an affair with a female campaign staffer. The staffer was not an "employee of the House", and this rule does not apply to that relationship.
Katie Hill's ex-husband has accused her of having an affair with a male House staff member. Katie Hill has denied this relationship and the staffer (her legislative director) has not confirmed it. The only person claiming it is her ex-husband.
In order to conclude that she broke House rules, you would have to take her ex-husband's word over hers.
IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)and maybe come out ahead to salvage her career.
The photos publicly humiliated her and damaged her standing in the eyes of her constituents, and that forced her to resign.
She's a victim of the photos and her abusive ex, but she's guilty of sex with subordinates whether it was during the campaign or hiring them later as staffers.
Lots of people make mistakes and are then victimized by a cruel and vindictive culture with punishments that far outweigh their crimes.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)She resigned as a result of her own actions AT WORK. Without the photos, perhaps her own actions at work wouldn't have become been officially noticed to the point that they had to be addressed so definitively, but they would still have been every bit as questionable.
If they could have been swept under the rug, at very least someone would have had to have a good talk with her. Like the chairs of the committees she was on, Nancy Pelosi or top assistant, and/or her mentors, all of whom she very badly let down.
Democrats aren't perfect, but we're NOT Republicans by a long shot. Things are different in our party.
Speaking of, this time our house Democratic caucus of 235 has 89 women, an all-time high. So yes, the old, official standard for men will be more enforced -- for all. That comes with having women in power.
(Meantime, the White Man's Party has been driving women OUT. Women's influence and standards, already almost nonexistent, are disappearing over there. Their house caucus is down to 13 from 23 last time, and their 13 are bitter at how they're being treated.)
IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)and punished her however the rules require, and then she could settle it with her staff and constituents. There's a chance she could finish out her term and let the voters decide next November. That option would also leave our party enough time to field a new candidate if she were asked to step down or be primaried.
The public humiliation is what loses votes and ruins a career so quickly and decisively to leave an open seat in a swing district. GOP could take it. They're already claiming Dems are involved in all sorts of nasty stuff. Smears work in politics.
The court of public opinion decided this one.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)She resigned very quickly when the ceiling fell in on her -- i.e., the revelation of improper workplace affair(s) with underlings. That made it impossible for the Democratic leadership to just denounce everything else as contemptible personal attacks and move on.
The Year of the Women that swept her into office marked women's equality and right to elective office, and that means equal responsibilities also.
And #MeToo was about putting an end to institutionalized protections of powerful people over underlings. We have to uphold the standard for all in asymmetrical power relationships, not just men. And it's not as if that standard itself is new, made up just for her; it and the principles it's based on are very, very, very old.
Just imagine if we'd taken a stand that it was okay for her because she's a woman and thus different. That hypocritical winking at principle would not have fared well in the court of public opinion and potentially done real harm to the cause.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)here or anywhere will change my mind but I've have used my right to place those who do fault her on my ignore list.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm assuming a Republican candidate and then congressman having affairs with relatively very vulnerable underlings, whose hopeful careers could depend on maintaining a very good relationship with him (and probably be affected in some way no matter what), would not get a pass from most here. THAT's why she resigned. Note that behaviors that merely raise a question of possible ethical lapses are violations of standards, unethical all by themselves.
She self victimized. These standards aren't just for Republican men in office and business. She really was supposed to behave ethically and didn't.
Aaron Pereira
(383 posts)Hill's situation was going to be a convenient ongoing distraction for Republicans during impeachment. I think we may find out later the speaker recommended her resignation.
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,435 posts)She should defend her seat; as Franken should have defended his. And, yes Speaker Pelosi should not accept her resignation.
McKim
(2,412 posts)She should not have resigned! If this were a man things would be so different. Some might even had admired him for having a titillating past. She is in a way victimizing herself all over again. But I can empathize with the feelings of humiliation as a woman. Why even our First Lady has had nude pictures of herself published. What a sad affair. I hope she changes her mind.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,311 posts)Wish she hadn't resigned until going through due process, but it is her decision to make. I don't walk in her shoes and she damn sure knows a lot more about it than I do.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I didnt figure her for a quitter.
She shouldnt have resigned.
mtngirl47
(988 posts)Why take them? Were they on a phone? Were they sent thru email?
It's kind of like tatooing someones name on your body....you hope the relationship lasts, but what if it doesn't? Why let someone have naked pictures of you on their phone or computer--you hope the relationship lasts, but what if it doesn't?
When you're running for congress why are you having threesomes with a staffer and your husband, and taking pictures of it?
Just my two cents.
IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)in her speech she said a blackmailer online claimed they would keep releasing more
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)You can go to Daily Mail to see them.
SharonAnn
(13,772 posts)She couldve been looking in that direction and still didnt see it.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)it can happen quick enough that you won't know until it's too late. When someone has their phone out you don't know if they are using an app or taking a photo if you don't see their screen.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)She looked fully aware of a camera.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)But that's just the impression I got.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)She did some stupid stuff for a smart woman.
whopis01
(3,506 posts)Not all of them.
The first time she talked about it, she specifically referred to the picture of her brushing her staffer's hair. Neither person is looking at the camera in that pic.
bdamomma
(63,823 posts)assaulters one in WH and one on the SC.
Sickening.
We will rise.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)"I don't think we're really talking about how targeted and serious this is," Ocasio-Cortez told Politico. "We're talking about a major crime ... being committed against her."
https://news.yahoo.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-says-revenge-143642245.html
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,659 posts)I am one of those women.
On Dec. 15, 2011, I was racing home from St. Paul as four of my fellow Republican state senators, all male, held a news conference. I called my sister to ask her to meet my 15-year-old daughter at the bus stop. I wasnt sure whether media would be waiting at home. I walked into the living room to find my daughter slumped on the sofa, tears running down her face. She asked just one question: Why?
I was given no warning about the news conference that would change the trajectory of my life. The subject of the news conference was my extramarital affair with our caucus communications director. In what was later dubbed The Scarlet Letter Award Ceremony, excruciating details were discussed about my personal life. No evidence was provided, but that didnt matter.
IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)good points in that piece about the similarities to Katie Hill, but also the differences in that there wasn't pictures or public shaming.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)The standard that Democrats apply to themselves versus the standards the Republicans apply to themselves.
Since we're guided by a moral code, when it's even perceived that a Dem has breached that code, whether justified or not, we martyr ourselves in the name of honesty and integrity as a whole.
When the Republicans are perceived to have breached a code, they deny the offense and they deny the code.