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Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:28 AM

Agreeing with Bill Kristol is not good for my mental well being, but...

... he is not wrong...




I’m struck by Trumpworld’s obsession with the whistleblower. Exposing him wouldn’t help Trump’s case a bit. But it’s clear that outing him would be really satisfying psychologically to Trumpsters. One forgets how central to Trumpism are petty vindictiveness and cowardly bullying.


Exactly this.

Buckle said, in his dogmatic way: “Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas.”

Heh. Lowest class indeed...

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Reply Agreeing with Bill Kristol is not good for my mental well being, but... (Original post)
Soph0571 Nov 7 OP
Wounded Bear Nov 7 #1
Hortensis Nov 7 #14
Maxheader Nov 7 #2
Cary Nov 7 #3
Arkansas Granny Nov 7 #10
not_the_one Nov 7 #21
wisheswerehorses Nov 7 #27
Cary Nov 8 #28
Roy Rolling Nov 7 #4
Cary Nov 7 #7
Act_of_Reparation Nov 7 #8
empedocles Nov 7 #16
Act_of_Reparation Nov 7 #17
Farmer-Rick Nov 7 #9
Cartoonist Nov 7 #15
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 7 #5
Cary Nov 7 #6
Kurt V. Nov 7 #11
Perseus Nov 7 #12
KG Nov 7 #13
yellowcanine Nov 7 #18
pecosbob Nov 7 #19
eppur_se_muova Nov 7 #20
Pluvious Nov 7 #22
maxsolomon Nov 7 #23
DFW Nov 7 #24
Skittles Nov 7 #25
OAITW r.2.0 Nov 7 #26

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:35 AM

1. He's a diehard RWer, but he's not stupid...

The petty vindictiveness of Trump has infused the entire Repub party, it would seem.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:04 AM

14. Vice versa. Strong conservatives are naturally more vindictive

and punitive than moderate cons and far more than liberals, the stronger the conservative personality the more extreme. And today's Repub governments are full of strong conservatives.

Those in power have a very long, documented record of going after those who cross them. Not just as a political deterrent, but notably to meet their own need for vengeance and to feed their "red in tooth and claw" voters. Remembering W/Cheney's treasonous "outing" of Valerie Plame after her ex- ambassador husband reported no WMD; she ran undercover agents in African nations, and we'll never know how many died or are in living-hell prisons to this day as a result.

Others less visible have been railroaded into prison here, and insiders are concerned that could happen to the whistleblower if the Trump admin decided to go after him/her with the espionage laws.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:39 AM

2. They've been a really diverse group of vips...


Military..Business..politicians..theater...Tellin it like it is..the leader of the free world is batshit insane..

But stumpy gives the 1%ers huge tax breaks..so all that other stuff is just lib talk..

It just slides off its back...kristols comment will too..

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:42 AM

3. I never forget

Bill is new to the realization that he was part of a fascist movement. I do not forget. Bill's heart may be in the right place but his head was up his ass. Did he object to The Southern Strategy? Did he object to "creation science?" Did he condemn Iran-Contra? Whitewater? Pizzagate? Birtherism? The Reagan welfare queen myth? Willie Horton? Swiftboat Liars?

It is a problem when a group is unconstrained by facts and logic. Does Bill own his role in that?

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:56 AM

21. exactly!

He wanted, and helped, another Pearl Harbor type event to happen.

He may be saying critical things of the turd now, but, more than likely, we wouldn't HAVE the turd if he and his group had not been successful.

I will NEVER forgive him for that. NOR Cheney.

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Response to Cary (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:57 PM

27. And Don't Forget

Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin!

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Response to wisheswerehorses (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:01 AM

28. Indeed

The last three elections show us that we don't need Bill Kristol.

If he is going to contribute in a constructive way that's great and I do applaud his efforts. But first of all we need to know that we can do it without him, because we must be confident and strong. And he needs to have humility and to know that we know that we can achieve our goals without him. He needs to know that because it is the truth.

Bill Kristol needs to commit to the truth for his own soul, not ours.

As long as we have our confidence and he has his humility I can believe that perhaps he has evolved.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:44 AM

4. He Has a Place

Sometimes ex-smokers become powerful forces for reducing tobacco use. Not everyone will quit and some who quit take up the habit again.

But mocking and ostracizing ex-smokers from the tobacco reduction conversation isn’t ever useful.

For now, Kristol gets my praise and I withhold my words of judgement and condemnation about his past.

Because he is speaking in coherent, evidence-based sentences. He has obviously been thrown out of the Trump and right-wing camp. There will be many others, let’s be more welcoming but vigilant for troublemakers.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:29 AM

7. It is not so much his past

I have questions as to who he really is now. Yes I welcome him and others. He now speaks truth and the value of that cannot be over stated. But actually trusting this man is something I am not yet ready to do.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:42 AM

8. Fuck that.

He's an asshole. Men like him helped build the electoral environment that gave us Trump. He and David Brooks deserve eternity together in a sulfuric pit surrounded by demons with hot pokers and distressing notions of where to put them.

He can say whatever he wants but he doesn't get to join Team Humanity just because he had a brief moment of enlightenment.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:59 AM

16. When we are with our sub-group of purists - some of them, even, bother us

No?

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Response to empedocles (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:11 AM

17. Yes, lots of people are annoying.

Not all of them are equally annoying.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:42 AM

9. As a former smoker, I totally understand your analogy

Now on to getting my son to quit smoking.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:49 AM

5. I think it is more about intimidation than anything else. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:21 AM

6. Brown Shirts

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:45 AM

11. me too.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:45 AM

12. It is a great tweet, exposes so much of the trumpsters

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:58 AM

13. piss on bill kristol, anyway.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:47 AM

18. Bill is the proverbial stopped clock. - Right twice a day. Wrong the rest of the time.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:23 AM

19. The lesson here of course is to ignore the broken clock and what it is telling you

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:38 AM

20. Outing the whistleblower would be payback. Doesn't matter that it doesn't help 45. nt

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 01:00 PM

22. And discouraging other potential WBs from acting is just a bonus ? n/t

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 01:27 PM

23. This "One" has never forgotten that, Bill.

Stigginit is central to the Conservative mindset.

Welcome to reality. Stay a while.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 01:41 PM

24. Kristol could be right out of Goethe (der Zauberlehrling)

Der Zauberlehrling (The Sorcerer's Apprentice), after wailing about being unable to control all the mayhem he has let loose, cries in despair, "Die ich rief, die Geister / Werd ich nun nicht los (The spirits I have summoned, I can now no longer rid myself of them)."

Guys like Kristol never understand what destructive forces they have helped install until it is too late to stop the disaster they have unleashed. Unlike Goethe's Sorcerer's Apprentice, we do not have a head Sorcerer to come help us banish them. Anyone who thinks our next president, whoever it is, can undo the damage with a wave of their magic wand, is about as realistic as Trump's coal miners who thought he would preserve their jobs for eternity and clean up their water to boot.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:41 PM

25. petty vintictiveness and cowardly bullying are central to the GOP

and KRISTOL had a big part in making the Greedy Old Pig party what it is today

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:46 PM

26. I'm supposed to like this asshole now?

He has spent decades being a douche bag and lying about the Organized Crime Party? Now, he can't stand to smell the stench he helped create? Fuck him.

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