Stop gun violence now. Something like random searches for

[Prosper]

guns. Anything other than guns has to be ignored. Confiscated guns and return after 5 days if nothing illegal is found. Otherwise people continue to die while other legislation awaits action.

[Prosper]

1. Waiting for assault weapons ban over weapons that kill less

than 500 people a year will let thousands die.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. No thanks.

[Ohiogal]

3. Did anyone see the 60 Minutes piece on gun legislation?

Red flag laws DO work.

After Dayton, red flag laws were proposed in Ohio, but of course the radical right wing fussed and stomped their feet over it, so it got tabled, so we’ll end up with something so watered down it will be ineffective.

[hack89]

4. No thanks. Not interested in living in a police state. nt

[Hoyt]

8. Wouldn't even be a consideration if gunners would voluntarily give up toting, assault style weapons,

etc.

[hack89]

14. Handguns are the killers by a huge margin.

and by gunners you meant "criminals" , right?

[Hoyt]

15. Exactly, yet gunners insist it's OK to walk around with them in public.

[hack89]

18. As do criminals.

do you support stop and frisk? How are you going to disarm criminals carrying illegal weapons in public?

[Hoyt]

19. There're detectors that help. After licensed gunners have been locked up a few times, they'll quit.

Then, about all you'll catch are the criminals.

Really simple, except for gunners' objections to not being able to walk around armed.

[hack89]

20. Licenced gunners are legal gun owners.

we don't put people in jail when they don't break the law.

Do you support warrant-less searches? I notice you refuse to answer the question.

[Hoyt]

23. If it's a no tote zone, leave em at home. You can also voluntarily do that. I support no more

gun toting. You ought to consider that yourself.

[hack89]

25. I don't carry in public

no need anymore.

Do you support stop and frisk to stop gunners toting?

[Hoyt]

26. I support no toting. I think I've made that clear.

[hack89]

28. But do you support stop and frisk? Do you support the OP?

yes or no?

[Hoyt]

29. No toting. Do you support people walking around with gunz because they are scared of boogieman?

[hack89]

32. Unlike you, I condemn stop and frisk as a solution to gun violence.

I support legal CCW. I do not support illegal concealed carry. I do not support open carry.

[Hoyt]

36. Why not support no carry, with very limited exceptions?

[hack89]

38. Because legal CCW is not a problem

illegal carry is the issue. One that you refuse to talk about.

[Hoyt]

41. Nope. George Zimmerman, Michael Dunn, etc., all had licenses to carry.

[hack89]

45. So is the OP the solution to the problem of toting? nt

[AncientGeezer]

47. Dunn is doing life....

More people are killed in a summer of gang related shootings than by CCW holders in a yr.....probably multiple yrs

[Hoyt]

49. Old Geezer, despite your irrational fears, you don't need a gun in your pants to walk down street.

I get you want them and apparently can't live without a bunch of gunz, but you don't need em.

[AncientGeezer]

71. See..we don't have a "Bill of Needs" though do we?

I have them for deer, ducks, geese, Texas hogs, small game, targets, home defense......all require a different tool.
So actually I do "need" depending on the job at hand

[wheelman]

58. I am scared of

of the facts that the Commander In Chief of Americas Armed Forces entered into a conspiracy with the former KGB and the former USSR to steal an election and seems to be in love with dictators around the world.

Yea, Russia is a boogieman. And Im scared. Trump and the right are apparently hell bent on selling us out to Russia.

This might be a very bad time to reduce the number of firearms in the hands of American citizens.

[Hoyt]

59. Geezer. If that's what you are afraid of, you don't need to carry gunz.

Bury them in the backyard, ready for use when the local militia calls.

[wheelman]

61. so if

Russian solders are in my yard to cart my family off to the gulag for re-education I would tell them to wait a minute while i check my messages. (And find a shovel) I will pass on that plan
But you do you.

[Hoyt]

62. That's some irrational stuff, but welcome to DU. Do they have Red Flag laws in your state?

[wheelman]

63. How many

Dead in Crimea Ukraine? Please sir ask yourself what does former KGB agent Putin want?

[Hoyt]

64. Again, are there Red Flag laws in your state?

[wheelman]

65. Yes. Now please sir,

will you respond to my question? What do you think x kgb agent Putin wants. Why is he doing this? How many thousands has he killed in Crimea Ukraine?

I wonder if you remember the bay of Pigs. What was USSRS goal? You do know, I hope that Putin rose thru the ranks of the KGB to become President of Russia.

I also wonder if you know how many Russians were murdered by KGB during cold war. Putin is pure evil. Trump seems to love him. And Kim tool Other dictators also.

By the way, red flag laws are for when someone is threatening. I'm an old man. I was taught to fear and hate communist USSR. Grew up with news that bomb shelters were needed in case of war. Now Putin hacks our elections and our President helps.

I would wish that would pay attention to all the Malcom Nance, former USA (I think) NSA has had to say about Putins intentions. He speaks often on MSNBC and has written a book about the Russian threat to the USA In my opinion what is irrational is to believe that Russia is not a real threat to Americas very existence.

[Hoyt]

67. I think you are typical of irrational gun owners.

[wheelman]

68. I notice

You refuse to answer any meaningful questions, making intelligent debate impossible. As to your statement about typical irrational gun owners, I can only tell you that I am an aging boomer, a lifelong registered democrat who has voted as such every election since of age. And im pushing 70. I will also mention that as a born and raised Oregonion, a very dependably blue state, that its a fact there are very many progressive democrat s here who are gun & firearm enthusiasts that feel very abandoned by the dem party when it comes this topic. We wish real root causes would be discussed much more. Poverty in particular. Lack of social safety net. Vulture capitalism. I could go on. I wish you a fine evening sir. NT

[LanternWaste]

30. Never has been a need.

"no need anymore..."

Never has been a need. We often pretend our desires and wants are needs; it allows us to better justify our choices.

[hack89]

34. Ok. nt

[Newest Reality]

5. That is a slippery slope...

Especially when you are dealing with the rather Fascist proclivity currently in our midst.

I think there are better ways to do this and I don't giving a green light for random searches as constitutionally correct in any case.

[X_Digger]

6. Fuck that shit. Piss on the fourth amendment? Never. n/t

[Hoyt]

9. Again, if gunners weren't so bent on toting, etc., it wouldn't even be a consideration.

[MagickMuffin]

10. Unfortunately our 4th Amendment went the way of the dodo

All because of the "War on Drugs" enforcers can search your vehicle and home without your consent. It happens all the time it happened to me.

[crickets]

12. Thank you. nt

[hughee99]

7. Sounds like you are a big fan of "stop and frisk". Nt

[madville]

11. Law enforcement would abuse the power

And harass a disproportionate amount of lower income folks and people of color.

[crickets]

13. +1

[Amishman]

17. And other law enforcement would refuse to do it at all

In states with strong gun laws, there is a problem with law enforcement refusing to enforcement gun policy. Colorado has this problem with rural counties not following their magazine ban

[uriel1972]

70. my first thought ...

Who watches the watchers?

[MineralMan]

16. Like a lot of ideas off the tops of people's heads, this one ignores

the basic principles of this country's Constitution. Because of that, it can't be implemented, even if it were a good idea, which it is not.

I encourage you to think longer before posting.

[hack89]

21. Why stop at guns?

drugs kill more people annually.

[JonLP24]

22. We already do plenty of stop & frisk for drugs

FTR I don't agree with the OP and I wonder why someone is taking an extreme position like this which leads to gun rights activists to ridicule the opinion.

This OP is something I never seen any DU advocate for before and I'm someone that would support repealing the 2nd amendment.

[Hoyt]

24. Christ, now you are using "drugs" to protect your gunz. What's next?

[hack89]

27. Drugs are the real threat to my community

if warrant-less searches are the solution to guns then why can't it be the solution to drugs? Not a hard question.

[AncientGeezer]

39. More die of OD's than firearms...by a long margin

[Hoyt]

42. Another gunner has been summoned.

[AncientGeezer]

46. My post is accurate....

[EX500rider]

51. Yes, damn those pesky facts people keep bring up, amiright? nt

[Hoyt]

52. Another one. Do you guys have an email blast summoning all gunners when

there is criticism of gunz here?

It’s like old home week for the remaining gun-promoters.

[EX500rider]

54. Where are these posts promoting guns, I'd like to see one. nt

[Hoyt]

55. Go to Gungeon, where you guys have posted gun support for years.

[EX500rider]

56. So you can't find one, got it. nt

[Doreen]

31. You mean yet another reason to pull over people of color?

We all know who will get pulled over or checked for guns the most. Despite the fact that most of these mass shootings have been done by white men/boys colored people will be targeted.

[Act_of_Reparation]

33. You mean something like stop and frisk.

No thanks. Been there. Done that.

[AncientGeezer]

35. The 4th Amendment is just ignored? Yeah..um..NO!!!!

Randomly search peoples homes??? Vehicles? Gym lockers?
I don't believe you'd find 100 LEO's Nationwide.. that would support this clearly Unconstitutional grab.

Further.....someone has 10lbs of heroin packaged for distribution in their home..discovered during a gun search...you just ignore that under you obviously deeply considered plan..right? Just take the firearm....I think you just lost the 100 LEO's you originally had.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

37. Random searches would be unconstitutional.

[Codeine]

40. How about fuck that shit?

Your issues with the 2nd Amendment (as currently interpreted) are no excuse to shred the 4th Amendment. You may give up as many of your own freedoms as you desire, but don’t include me.

[Retrograde]

43. No. Don't punish everyone because McConnell

can't be bothered to do his job and put the legislation the House has passed up for a vote.

It's easier, I suppose, than keeping the spotlight on the senate, but it doesn't address the root causes of mass shootings.

[Arthur_Frain]

44. You can't be serious.

Because this obviously will not work for so many reasons, on so many levels.

It’s a nice optic to have Beto on the debate dais finally stating the obvious about the assault rifles, but it’s one of the things that doomed his campaign, I think. If he’d trotted out your OP as policy, he’d have been done that hour.

‘Do I still want to live here” is a question I ask myself fairly often, (I live in a real gun-humper state). It’s crossed my mind to wonder whether I belong in this nation anymore, although that’s a much larger question that I’m honestly reluctant to ask myself.

[Polybius]

48. Are you crazy?

That violates the 4th Amendment. I don't want random searches. We had "Stop and Frisk" in NY, that was bad enough. These searches always predominantly target people of color too.

[Happy Hoosier]

50. Ummm.... 4th Amendment? NT

[tenderfoot]

53. flamebate

eom

[GulfCoast66]

57. That's my vote.

[Blue_true]

60. That has been tried. The problem is it takes on racial undertones.

When a killer POC use a gun, usually it is to harm specific people. White male mass shooters kill random people. So in a sane society, as many White men would be stopped as POC, but in practice that is not the case.

[blogslut]

66. Like, a Stop-and-Frisk program?

Uh...

[Hekate]

69. So...profiling white teenage boys for stop and frisk?

Just going by the numbers here.

[Prosper]

72. So let the killings continue until.......

“ImageThe New York Times
53 People Died in Mass Shootings in August Alone in the U.S.
Aug 31, 2019 · There is no legal definition for the term mass shooting, ... Bolton Said to Know of ' Many Relevant Meetings' on Ukraine, but Will Not Testify ... Last Weekend Underscored the Violence.”

People that don’t want to live in a police state are enabling the continuation of mass shootings. I see schools all over this country instituting police state tactics to protect our children. Everything seems to work alright with restricted and limited entrance to schools.

Everybody that can afford it has self imposed police state tactics. Body guards, restricted entrance gated communities. Doesn’t seem to bother the people that can afford professional protection.

[Prosper]

73. There is another group that will not compromise on their rights

to curb gun deaths just like the “No police state,no way”. The NRA. Police state is no way near a stop, frisk, release if no law is violated. They do it around major drinking holidays and nobody is protesting police state. Random roadblocks and checking for drunk drivers. Certain minor infringements to save lives is not police state tactics.

[Prosper]

74. Police state is okay to protect airports why not our

schools.