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Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:04 PM

70% minus approximately 20% (nonDem supporters). Let's just stipulate

that there are 20% of the voters who think trump did something wrong with Ukraine but don't think he should be removed.

How do we get to them? What could we pile on to Ukraine to get them on board?

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Reply 70% minus approximately 20% (nonDem supporters). Let's just stipulate (Original post)
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 OP
LakeArenal Nov 2019 #1
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #4
JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #2
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #5
JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #9
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #14
JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #17
Cartaphelius Nov 2019 #3
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #7
Hoyt Nov 2019 #6
D_Master81 Nov 2019 #8
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #15
Adsos Letter Nov 2019 #10
Atticus Nov 2019 #11
Adsos Letter Nov 2019 #12
brooklynite Nov 2019 #13
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #16
Garrett78 Nov 2019 #18

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:07 PM

1. Oh as the next weeks and months pass,

Trump will do that for us himself.

Everyday there’s another turd nugget falling from his mouth...ass...twit.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:15 PM

4. You are probably so right! It's what Nancy s strategy was

'Just wait, he'll do something worse!" strategy.

There's kind of a storm abrewing on "pay for play." People blatantly donating big money to get jobs. Reminds me of Michael Cohen who took $$ for access to Dipshit.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:13 PM

2. Easy...

...Nothing. If Trump's obvious treason and corruption in Ukraine, has not already changed their minds.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:16 PM

5. So give up?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:27 PM

9. No, but we need to accept that most of them will not change. So, plant seeds of truth that may grow

...around them. That has always been my goal. For example, I have an old close-friend that was our GOP mayor and the borough president here in a heavy red county in SC-PA. When I joke with him about politics, I'm not aiming my comments at him but rather at the people who always gather around him/us when we talk. I've used that method, to change at least a few minds over the years who have told me that I have changed their votes. Then, I stand back and feel honored and let the person know how I feel.

Works like a charm. Just takes years!

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:45 PM

14. Good strategy. But I am talking about the segment

who already agreed that what trump did in Ukraine was wrong. (Over and above Dems) These aren't lost causes they are the ones we need to oust him. Or vote him out.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 11:03 PM

17. Still takes years. Took a long time to get where they are, takes longer to get back because they...

...are older. York Co. where I live is a perfect example. I've been working for the local Dems here for 25 years. 25 years before I got there, York was solid blue. For most of my own past 25 years solid red. Bit, by bit to the point we have a real chance of electing a Dem congressperson in 2020.

Time heals all. Eventually.

Hope Bigger.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:14 PM

3. Last time I checked

 

as a democracy all that is required is a majority vote.

All of the rest is nothing more than right wing bullshit.

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Response to Cartaphelius (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:22 PM

7. True. I was thinking a super majority for removal. Safer

hoping we win another Russian rigged election
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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:20 PM

6. Some will turn on trump if they think he will lose General Election.

 

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:23 PM

8. What I want to know is

If it’s “wrong” yet he’s not removed what should be the result? If you don’t remove him and nothing happens then you’re saying it’s not really wrong.

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Response to D_Master81 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:47 PM

15. Good point. Makes me think their talking points on

"yes it's wrong but not impeachable" actually works.

Why I would add to Ukraine! My original question what to add on.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:30 PM

10. To a degree I agree with JoeOtterbein's previous post.

I was staggered when the sudden abandonment of the Kurds didn't do it. If abandoning allies to slaughter doesn't make the cut, I don't know what would.

Perhaps if he came out onto the South Lawn at the White House, buck naked and grinding an open Bible against his genitals. That could possibly alienate him from a significant portion of his religious base, although I think they might just say that it shows how much he loves the scriptures.

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Response to Adsos Letter (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:39 PM

11. A double mind-bleach, please! nt

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Response to Atticus (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:41 PM

12. Comin' right up.

Please remember to tip.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:41 PM

13. What is you the purpose of "getting them"?

Do you imagine that if they change their mind the Republicans will remove Trump?

Keep in mind as well that supporting removal in a poll doesn't mean that people support it ENOUGH to pressure their Senators to act accordingly.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 10:52 PM

16. Purpose of getting them...either to create pressure

On senators to vote aye on Impeachment or to vote him out.

We are NOT talking his core base here. We are talking about people who had a modicon of sense. Likely a segment of thinking repukes and Indies.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:45 AM

18. There's at least 35 percent who will never support removal. Probably 40+ percent.

Just as you hear Trump supporters occasionally say things like, "I don't always agree with what Trump says or how he says it," there are also those who can think he did something wrong but not even remotely support removal.

As I keep saying, support for removal will never get as high as we'd like. There's simply too much ignorance in the US. I guarantee you there are millions of people who don't even know there are impeachment hearings taking place, or that there's a presidential election next year.

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