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When I use a word,
.it means just what I choose it to mean neither more nor less. Humpty Dumpty
The question is
.whether you can make words mean so many different things. Alice
The question is
.which is to be master. Humpty Dumpty
Lewis Carroll; Through the Looking Glass
Words are curious things. They can be used properly or improperly. As I've noted in the past on this forum, when the ancient philosopher Confucius was asked what he would do if he had complete political power, he said he would insist that people use words properly.
In Genesis 11: 1-9, we find the allegory of the Tower of Babel. Those who approach this ancient myth with concrete thinking believe it describes why the peoples of the earth speak different languages. Those with understanding of what specific words were intended to communicate recognize that there is a higher meaning.
Obviously, these are the things I find myself thinking about during the short break in today's House impeachment hearings. Gym Jordan and Devin Nunes are clearly attempting to distract and confuse the public with their choice of words. As toxic as we might find Stephen Castor, it is important to recognize that his choice of words is entirely proper in the context of an attorney representing a guilty-as-sin client in a criminal court hearing. And that word criminal is the most accurate possible to define the Trump administration.
I've found the witnesses this morning to be precise in describing the Trump corruption. Like last week's witnesses, they are honorable people. While it is highly unlikely that I would agree with them on every political and social issue, I have great respect for them. I recognize that they are putting not only themselves, but their families as well, at risk of retaliation from the administration and those who support them.
It will be interesting to see what Gordon Sondland does tomorrow. Will he even show up? Take the 5th? Or tell the truth? Time will tell. Equally, if not more important, will be Fiona Hill's testimony on Thursday. Gym and Devin will be in way, way over their heads.
I am extremely impressed with Chairman Adam Schiff. I've long had a very high opinion of him, yet the respect grows daily. He is taking his place in history, ranking with the honorable people who have taken a just stand in the national scandals that have taken place during my lifetime
..all of these scandals, by no coincidence, taking place in republican administrations.
Certainly among the most impressive participants is Daniel Goldman. I find it a bit ironic that he worked under Preet Bharara in the Southern District of New York. To paraphrase my friend Rubin Carter, what goes 'round comes 'round, unless you have Roger Stone's head, because then you've got nothing at all.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,531 posts)H2O Man
(75,595 posts)Today's hearings are outstanding.
coeur_de_lion
(3,812 posts)He really tries to make it seem that trump was justifiably concerned about Biden payoffs and attempts to squelch investigation of his son. I turned him off then I was unable to reconnect and listen to other parts of the hearing.
Little asshole. Give me 5 minutes with him so I can tell him what an asshole he really is.
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)We should ask Chairman Schiff to give you the five minutes.
coeur_de_lion
(3,812 posts)Set that little weasel straight.
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)to borrow a pair of boxing gloves? Or do you prefer bare-knuckle.
coeur_de_lion
(3,812 posts)and a lead weight to go in each.
I don't want to break a nail on his pudgy face.
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)I'll drop a pair off tomorrow, and then you drop him for a ten count.
coeur_de_lion
(3,812 posts)I loved the way Vindman stood up to the GOP clowns today but I must admit the very idea that a man who served his country honorably is vilified by them while another accused of war crimes is pardoned is makin me sick right now.
I need a break. And I need to read a book that will completely take my mid off of the bullshit reality show tRump is putting on.
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)I'd suggest reading Laurence Tribe's newest book, which is on impeachment. It will help you escape from the Trump show.
coeur_de_lion
(3,812 posts)I am reading more than enough about impeachment in real time.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)...Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time.
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle.
Lifes but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
*******
Were neck deep, struggling to stay afloat in our very own Shakespearean tragedy. A madman is at the helm in this ship of state.
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)Thank you for that!
I've tasked an associate with gathering information on Elise Stefanik, who I find particularly annoying. It is someone who grew up with her.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)to the Democratic Party this week. Lets hope we hear much more from her!
Just for a moment imagine how she influenced around 44,000 people to donate money to her Democratic opponent in less than 24 hours. Tedra Cobb, her opponent, received one million dollars with an average donation amount of $23.
And Stefanik persists today.
Danascot
(4,897 posts)I sent Tedra Cobb $25 over the weekend and I'm looking to Stefanik for an excuse to do it again.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)No change whatsoever from the performance yesterday. Gym Jordan too.
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)she's dangerous because she is a heck of a lot more intelligent than the vast majority of republicans in DC, but just as corrupt.
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)is very impressive. That's one of the congressional election contests in my state that I'll be active in.
malaise
(278,243 posts)and Schiff is not missing a beat
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)I've always had great respect for Adam Schiff. In my opinion, his current works put him high among the greatest leaders in the House. A lot of the people I talk to hope that in the future, he runs for president.
pecosbob
(7,904 posts)A Roger Stone in prison garb bobble-head.
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)I'm thinking of giving the Trump toilet brush on Christmas to family members.
Hekate
(94,881 posts)Your fine essay made me miss The Magistrate. Sometimes I wonder how the old Confucian is doing away from DU.
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)I'm so impressed by him.
The Magistrate and other past forum members added a lot here. We had some good times back then.
blogslut
(38,665 posts)I think her testimony is going to blow the doors off the chamber.
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)She isn't going to play with the republicans. She's a serious person, and an expert in her field.
coeur_de_lion
(3,812 posts)and tell us where we are as a country?
Is tRump finally gone? Who is president?
Are we still glued to the computer worried sick about what is happening in the White House?
H2O Man
(75,595 posts)Whoever you are looking for isn't here ....it's just me and the dogs.
It's hard to say. I know that among republicans in the Senate, there are discussions about some research they have had done on impeachment. It has to do with the post-Nixon events. In both the Reagan/Bush and Clinton cases, of course, impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate were possibilities. Some Democrats were making a good case for impeaching Reagan for Iran-Contra. Even at the time when he denied knowing anything about it, that was a second ground for impeachment.
Republicans in particular argued that, so close to Nixon, it would destabilize the government. They were sincere in believing it would damage the nation domestically and internationally. One of their main points was that Reagan was close to closing a deal with the USSR on nuclear weapons. They also noted he was half-way through his second term, and Democrats had a very good chance of taking the White House in '88.
Enough Democrats went along with it, that Reagan didn't face impeachment. Some Democrats were still intent upon impeaching Bush, but obviously, not enough.
With Clinton, while I didn't think his lies were cause for impeachment, others did. I think more republicans were upset by sex in the White House. When the House impeached him, and sent it to the Senate, there were Democrats unsure of how to vote. So they went to Senator Robert Byrd. Now, Byrd believed Clinton committed an impeachable offense. He actually spoke of wanted to vote to impeach him. But, he said, it would be damaging to the nation. Clinton was also half-way through his second term. Byrd made a comment I thought I'd always remember ....but I'm old, you know, and not very bright .... but Byrd said that there are times when rational thought points in one direction, but wisdom points in a different direction.
Based upon what is known now, it's likely the republicans in the Senate will say what Trump did was clearly wrong, but not enough to remove him. And that's a shame, because unlike Reagan or Clinton, Trump cannot be trusted to not engage in equally corrupt behaviors in the future. Just the opposite -- if Trump remains in office, or "wins" the 2020 election, it is 100% certain he will increase the levels of corruption.
Oh, wait! You asked a question. On November 19, 2020, Trump will be either a lame duck, or a turd that has been flushed away.
Kid Berwyn
(18,094 posts)The Ghost of Roy Cohn
BY TERRY MELANSON · AUGUST 24, 2014
EXCERPT...
In an interview with former NYPD detective James Rothstein, this author discovered that such operations do exist and go far back into Americas secret history. Rothstein is no conspiracy theorist. He is a legend in American law enforcement and speaks from experience. Furthermore, he gave me two notable examples from his time as a detective. Rothstein had an opportunity to have a sit-down with infamous McCarthy committee counsel Roy Cohn. During this sit-down, Cohn admitted to Rothstein that he was part of a rather elaborate sexual blackmail operation that compromised politicians with child prostitutes (Rothstein, no pagination). Cohn told Rothstein that this operation was being carried out as part of the anticommunist crusade of the time (no pagination).
Rothstein also had an opportunity to speak to infamous Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. During this conversation, Sturgis revealed one of the reasons for breaking into the Watergate. According to Sturgis, there was a Pedophile Book hidden away at the Democratic National Committee headquarters (no pagination). The book was supposed to have a list of pedophiles on the American political scene (no pagination). One can only imagine the power G. Gordon Liddy would have held over the government if he had such a book in his possession.
I asked Rothstein if Roy Cohn was a real anticommunist or just using the fear of communism to justify his sex ring. It seemed like a fair question. After all, Cohn had argued against homosexuals being schoolteachers when he himself was a homosexual. Perhaps Cohns hypocrisy extended to his anticommunism. Rothstein made it clear that Cohn was a genuine anticommunist (no pagination). Anticommunist sentiments aside, evidence suggests that the sex ring operation started by Cohn was used for more than fighting the threat of domestic communists. Fugitive ex-CIA officer Frank Terpil has claimed that sexual blackmailing operations directed by the CIA were intensive in Washington during the Watergate era (DeCamp 179). Terpil also asserts that his former partner, Ed Wilson, was coordinating one of these sexual blackmail operations (179). In a letter to author Jim Hougan, Terpil revealed Wilsons modus operandi:
Historically, one of Wilsons Agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses [of Congress] by any means necessary . Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh . A remembrance of these occasions [was] permanently recorded via selected cameras . The technicians in charge of filming were TSD [Technical Services Division of the CIA]. The unwitting porno stars advanced in their political careers, some of [whom] may still be in office. (Qtd. in DeCamp 179)
According to John DeCamp, a former Nebraska Senator and Vietnam War hero, Wilsons operation was merely a continuation of the one set up by Cohn (179). When I asked James Rothstein if Palfreys outfit was a continuation of the sexual blackmail rings that began with Cohn, he answered in the affirmative (Rothstein, pagination). The NYPD veteran made it clear that Palfreys outfit could not exist in Washington unless it was a tool for the power elite and sinister factions of the intelligence community (no pagination). Somewhere in a Queens cemetery, the corpse of a high-powered attorney is smiling in his grave.
SOURCE:
https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-ghost-of-roy-cohn/
kentuck
(112,870 posts)Interesting perspective.
Liberal Jesus Freak
(1,458 posts)I find these hearings fascinating, infuriating, and highly informative. Almost too pizazzy for me 😄
kentuck
(112,870 posts)Interesting read!