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IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 08:28 AM Nov 2019

Deep red town's only grocery closed, city hall opened its own store. Just don't call it 'socialism'

When a deep red town’s only grocery closed, city hall opened its own store. Just don’t call it ‘socialism.’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/22/baldwin-florida-food-desert-city-owned-grocery-store/



BALDWIN, Fla. — When Sean Lynch ran for mayor, he never anticipated that the job would involve hiring a butcher and tracking the sale of collard greens.

But in 2018, two years into his first term, the only grocery store in town shut down. People in Baldwin, Fla., a rural outpost in northeast Florida, were left with few options. They could leave town, driving 10 miles through road construction to nearby Macclenny or battling 20 miles of freeway traffic through Jacksonville’s suburban sprawl. Alternatively, they could cobble together a meal out of canned goods from the local Dollar General, or head to a nearby truck stop for greasy, deep-fried fast food.

For many of Baldwin’s roughly 1,600 residents, though, traveling for food wasn’t really a choice. The town’s median household income of $44,271 is well below the state average, and it’s not uncommon for families to juggle their schedules around sharing one car. Senior citizens also make up a significant percentage of the population, and many no longer drive.

So Lynch came to his colleagues with a proposal: What if the town opened its own grocery store?

Abandoned by mainstream supermarkets whose business models don’t have room for low profit margins, both urban and rural communities nationwide have turned to resident-owned co-ops or nonprofits to fill the gap. But Baldwin is trying something different. At the Baldwin Market, which opened its doors on Sept. 20, all of the employees are on the municipal payroll, from the butcher to the cashiers. Workers from the town’s maintenance department take breaks from cutting grass to help unload deliveries, and residents flag down the mayor when they want to request a specific type of milk.


Beware, this is how those sneaky liberals get you! There is socialism in your food, don't eat it!

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Deep red town's only grocery closed, city hall opened its own store. Just don't call it 'socialism' (Original Post) IronLionZion Nov 2019 OP
It's "Every man for himself!" up until you're in the race ck4829 Nov 2019 #1
I love the Republican socialists who are military, defense, federal, state & local payroll lifers. TheBlackAdder Nov 2019 #14
I recently finished Zinn's "A Peoples History of the US". I was surprised at the prevelance of the brewens Nov 2019 #2
"And they realize that without access to food, they're not going to survive." johnp3907 Nov 2019 #3
Oh please durablend Nov 2019 #6
Great idea. Capitalism fails when profit becomes the only barometer of success ... Auggie Nov 2019 #4
Love this. Thank you. AllyCat Nov 2019 #18
I've shopped there a bunch, but not since it reopened as a city owned store. NightWatcher Nov 2019 #5
I live in a leftist big city and have tons of options for groceries IronLionZion Nov 2019 #7
Small businesses get eaten up by capitalist Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #15
Corporate farms lobby for favorable legislation and subsidies IronLionZion Nov 2019 #16
Yeah, so sad Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #17
Let them fucking drive. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #8
it's not just the grocery store onethatcares Nov 2019 #9
It's not that far Leftofinsane Nov 2019 #10
Exactly Piasladic Nov 2019 #11
Correct 10 miles to Winn Dixie, but the socialist store creates jobs IronLionZion Nov 2019 #12
I'd like the hypocrites explain this one... SWBTATTReg Nov 2019 #13
Hypocrites indeed. They denounce socialism but welcome its services ... Auggie Nov 2019 #19
Maybe we should start calling Social Security "SocialISM Security". Take the sting out of it flibbitygiblets Nov 2019 #20
It's only Socialism when those "other" tribes do it. n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #21
Next comes bread lines and tanks in the streets IronLionZion Nov 2019 #22
I think it's great. This should be encouraged, publicized as an example of Alithea Nov 2019 #23
+1 crickets Nov 2019 #24
Thanks! Alithea Nov 2019 #25
I wonder if the deep red store took EBT Wrz Nov 2019 #26

brewens

(13,574 posts)
2. I recently finished Zinn's "A Peoples History of the US". I was surprised at the prevelance of the
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 08:37 AM
Nov 2019

socialist movement among farmers. That got us the co-ops and the farmers also pushed for an income tax. That probably made a lot of sense to dirt poor farmers who were being killed by all the excise taxes and really had no income. They were subject to almost a share cropper system, being screwed by the railroads, grain elevator operators, banks,processors and suppliers. Having to pay taxes one day when they actually finished a year in the black probably sounded pretty good.

I think it was granges that set up a co-op for manufacturing farm equipment that didn't work out so well, but at least they tried. Like the first attempts at co-ops, you can imagine what the people calling the shots would have done to squash that, but I couldn't find any real details.

durablend

(7,460 posts)
6. Oh please
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 08:44 AM
Nov 2019

They need to man up and pull themselves up by their bootstraps and learn to eat their MAGA hats. Damn socialist grocery stores.

Auggie

(31,163 posts)
4. Great idea. Capitalism fails when profit becomes the only barometer of success ...
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 08:41 AM
Nov 2019

this is why we need government. Not just to oversee and regulate, but help fill in the gaps. Kudos to Mayor Lunch -- he cares.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. I've shopped there a bunch, but not since it reopened as a city owned store.
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 08:41 AM
Nov 2019

It was a fine little IGA before it went belly up. My in-laws lived a couple miles away and we'd often run over for a few items.

Reading the subject line, I was like "that sounds like the Baldwin IGA". They always had good local sausages or cooked ham and peanuts.

My in-laws must have been the ones skewing the median income numbers from the article. It's a super red district full of old single and double wide trailers that fly ratty American flags on the same pole as their trump flags. To call them poor, country folk is an understatement. It's a lost cause.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
7. I live in a leftist big city and have tons of options for groceries
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 08:54 AM
Nov 2019

I have the usual suspects like Safeway and Giant, also Wegmans, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, Harris Teeter, and several independent ethnic grocers, and some hippie co-ops and organic markets like MOM's and Yes. Here in the bluest of blue, we are living in the golden age of grocery shopping with lots of choices and free market competition, because there is profit to be made (or not in the case of the co-ops).

Like with many things in life, if there is no profit to be made from it, for-profit companies won't do it so the government steps in. There is plenty of profit to be made in areas with lots of people around, which tend to be big liberal cities. Small rural towns can find themselves left behind by capitalism.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
15. Small businesses get eaten up by capitalist
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 10:23 AM
Nov 2019

Even farming has been turned into a corporate run job.

The big guys always crush the little guys in capitalism. It always sends the benefits to the first few companies that manage to get a foothold. Those companies then crush the little businesses to stay alive.

In a few cases, the big corporations abandon sales in small areas because it is not cost effective. Capitalism is really not efficient, it's not about providing sales opportunities to everyone. It frequently abandons small communities.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
16. Corporate farms lobby for favorable legislation and subsidies
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 10:30 AM
Nov 2019

to help them and screw over family farms so they can buy up the land real cheap. This has become more blatant with the Trump administration.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
17. Yeah, so sad
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 10:52 AM
Nov 2019

And then there are the Tyson (insert latest chicken monopoly here) chicken farms. They contract with farmers and promise them millions. After the farmer borrows millions to build the weird space ship like chicken coops, the contract seems to be filled with all sorts of loop holes so that the farmer barely makes enough to service the loans. The farmer goes bankrupt.

Spin and repeat. I've gone to their sales meetings. They promise you the world. But when you let a lawyer read their contract, the smart lawyer can see how the corporation can totally control your sales. There is no one else you can sell your chickens to.....there is no competition. And if they suddenly decide your chickens are worth only .0000001 per pound, that's all you get.

Then the small farmer can't get slaughter houses to process their chicken. The schools, grocery stores, hospitals and other large buyers all have contracts with these chicken monopolies so you can't sell your produce to any of them.

They're doing the same thing with Chinese pig farms. Especially in the Carolinas. But they sell to China instead of the US.

onethatcares

(16,166 posts)
9. it's not just the grocery store
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 09:09 AM
Nov 2019

the major employer in that area of Waldo, Lawtey, Baldwin, etc is the Florida prison system. Seems those taxes get spread pretty thin among them.

Leftofinsane

(14 posts)
10. It's not that far
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 09:19 AM
Nov 2019

to the Winn Dixie at Chafee Rd. and I10 or to other stores in Jacksonville. I drive 22 miles to shop, from my country home, in north Florida but I make a day of it and take care of other business.

It's only socialism if a Democrat proposes it.

Piasladic

(1,160 posts)
11. Exactly
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 09:36 AM
Nov 2019

I'm in the same boat. I'm driving all the way to Ocala today just to get pet supplies and some food because apparently no one in my county has ever heard of mixed pickle or Instant Ocean.

As for being a food desert, the only shops I can buy food in the area are the Walmart (which I hate and is a 45 minute drive) and Publix (over an hour). I have no idea what people without cars do.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
12. Correct 10 miles to Winn Dixie, but the socialist store creates jobs
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 09:45 AM
Nov 2019

since it employs local city workers.

I drive 22 miles to Wegmans in the suburbs outside DC some weekends because my local Safeway 1 block away is pretty bad. The argument could be made that it inconveniences people who can't drive due to age or disability or whatever.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
13. I'd like the hypocrites explain this one...
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 09:51 AM
Nov 2019

Idiots. Socialism is all around us and the hypocrites chose to ignore it. This is in their faces ... and I hope they choke on it. Maybe they'll think next time before denouncing socialism. I call this capital socialism, where capitalism failed because there literally is no money for anyone to make a thin dime down there for a living. So I bet more than just the grocery store is impacted. Just about any business you can think of would close, or be close to shutting down.

Why shouldn't a business shut down? If they can't make money, then...but, I bet the post office is still in business (socialism, oh no!!), city hall (socialism, oh no!), government services (socialism, oh no!!).

Hypocrites. There's an idiot born every second in this country.

Auggie

(31,163 posts)
19. Hypocrites indeed. They denounce socialism but welcome its services ...
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:09 AM
Nov 2019

MediCare, Social Security, food stamps ...

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
20. Maybe we should start calling Social Security "SocialISM Security". Take the sting out of it
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:16 AM
Nov 2019

once they realize what it actually is.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
22. Next comes bread lines and tanks in the streets
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:41 AM
Nov 2019

it's a slippery slope. Once our rural small towns turn into Venezuela, there's no coming back.

 

Alithea

(99 posts)
23. I think it's great. This should be encouraged, publicized as an example of
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:46 AM
Nov 2019

good governance in a red area. Let more of these proliferate, let residents eat better, let them trumpet what "small local government" can accomplish.

And then, when they are proud, happy, and better fed, we can just lean back and say "See now? That didn't hurt a bit. Let's not bicker and argue about what to label this. I say socialism, you say bootstrapping, let's just call it a good idea and go grab a beer to celebrate and see if we can make a plan to help other towns do the same."

Wrz

(35 posts)
26. I wonder if the deep red store took EBT
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 02:49 PM
Nov 2019

Assuming said store was owned by a die-hard Trumpkin who rails against 'socialism' and the like.

Betting if so they still got the two free point-of-sale machines and computers from the USDA that interfaces with the USDA SNAP/FS and TANF accounts for SNAP transactions. (You can get, IIRC, up to two compatible point-of-sale machines that work with the store's computer to debit SNAP eligible transactions from the USDA if you own a store that is eligible to take SNAP).

Proving that they have no problem benefiting from the programs they rail against when it suits them.

As a SNAP recipient myself who lives in KY I've heard of some smaller owned grocery stores not taking SNAP out of principle and I'm actually grateful they make their stance known so I know to boycott their store even if they later relent and take SNAP. Besides, in my immediate area it's all big places like Kroger, Meijer, Wal-mart anyway.

Anyway, the idea of a government operated store is a good idea for places that are considered food deserts. A sad number of people still only have immediate access to overpriced convenience stores with limited selection.

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