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Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:46 AM

It's the Republicans' biggest impeachment lie, and Americans could fall for it

Here is why the Russiapublicans are FIRST TO LIE —IT STICKS.



It's the Republicans' biggest impeachment lie, and Americans could fall for it

Trump did not fail to extort the Ukrainians — he got caught in the act. This distinction is incredibly important

DALEY GRUEN
Salon.com, NOVEMBER 23, 2019

“Forthe millions of Americans viewing today, the two most important facts are the following,” Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., said on the first day of public impeachment hearings. “No. 1: Ukraine received the aid. No. 2: There was, in fact, no investigation into Biden.”

Stefanik’s side wants this to be the central point that sticks in our heads: The alleged quid pro quo, where Ukraine would receive military aid appropriated by Congress on the condition that it cooked up an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden, did not actually occur because Ukraine received the aid — the quid — and never publicly announced an investigation into Biden — the quo.

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What is most alarming is not that the GOP is promoting this talking point, but that it appears to be working. Following the impeachment proceedings, The New York Times podcast The Daily concluded with an assessment by top national security reporter Michael Schmidt:

“It’s a reoccurring theme in the Trump story: The president tries to do something but ultimately is not effective enough to actually get it done. So, should we penalize him for those attempts? Does the attempt . . . reach that bar for Congress to remove the president?

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Trump did not fail to extort the Ukrainians. He got caught in the act. Only after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the launch of an official investigation into his scheme did the aid flow.

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https://www.salon.com/2019/11/23/its-the-republican-partys-biggest-impeachment-lie-and-americans-could-fall-for-it/

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Reply It's the Republicans' biggest impeachment lie, and Americans could fall for it (Original post)
Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 OP
hlthe2b Nov 2019 #1
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #2
Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #4
TwilightZone Nov 2019 #6
Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #7
Iliyah Nov 2019 #3
Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #5
elleng Nov 2019 #8
stillcool Nov 2019 #9
UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #10

Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:51 AM

1. Is that a photoshop?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:52 AM

2. Yes, it is. While it's probably an accurate depiction of her attitude, it's not a real photo.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:01 PM

4. I believe so.

The pic supports her practice of the propaganda arts and sciences.

People are more likely to believe, per Clint Watts:

1. What they learn first.
2. What they hear repeated.
3. What comes from a trusted source within their info bubble.
4. What does not contain a rebuttal.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:23 PM

6. The photo doesn't support anything if it's fake.

Which it is.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stefanik-middle-finger-impeachment/

Arguing that she's promoting propaganda by using a fake photo is a little odd. And, perhaps, a bit ironic.

There's little doubt that she does engage in the use, but using similar methods as "proof" seems a bit misguided.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:38 PM

7. The point of the photo is that it is easy to be first to lie.

That’s why I used it, to show how the GOP lies - first, frequently, affably, and without challenge.

The point of the OP is that the GOP wants Americans to believe the lie that Trump did nothing wrong.

Sorry if that seems misguided. That confusion, too, is part of how effective propaganda sticks in the mind.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:54 AM

3. Salon . . .

Uh huh. This is how the American people will fall for it -

voter suppressions; gerrymandering; out right stealing (Republicans in areas of counting (missing ballots), polling polls, voting machines) just like the 2016 elections.

Salon seems to equate Republican base with the sane American people.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:09 PM

5. GOP lies are killing democracy.

The last graf:

(NYT reporter Michael) Schmidt’s acceptance of the GOP talking point — that what happened with Ukraine never actually happened — should remind us all once again of Orwell: “And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed — if all records told the same tale — then the lie passed into history became truth.”

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:59 PM

8. True

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:35 PM

9. it's all perception...

even if no one believes the B.S., the television people will find some poor sucker to get on a show, and splain why they support Trump. One would think these people outnumber the sane among us, because no one wants to showcase an ordinary person who is disgusted by him. Where would the Republicans be without tv?

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:40 PM

10. And don't forget to repeat repeat repeat the lie. nt

 

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