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OhNo-Really

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Former White House counsel Donald McGahn must comply with House subpoena, Gothmog Nov 2019 #1
Thank you! OhNo-Really Nov 2019 #2
That's not the decision, that's just the order jberryhill Nov 2019 #3
120 pages to be exact and I just read all of it. jaysunb Nov 2019 #6
Neal Katyal-Ruling is a win for Nancy Pelosi and a major loss for trump Gothmog Nov 2019 #4
Here is a link to the opinion Gothmog Nov 2019 #5
Update-judge denied stay during appeal Gothmog Dec 2019 #7

Gothmog

(145,107 posts)
1. Former White House counsel Donald McGahn must comply with House subpoena,
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:03 PM
Nov 2019



Former Trump White House counsel Donald McGahn must comply with a House subpoena, a federal court ruled Monday, finding that top presidential advisers cannot ignore congressional demands for information and raising the possibility that McGahn could be forced to testify as part of the impeachment inquiry.

, U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson of Washington, found no basis for a White House claim that the former counsel is “absolutely immune from compelled congressional testimony,” likely setting the stage for a historic separation-of-powers confrontation between the government’s executive and legislative branches.

The House Judiciary Committee went to court in August to enforce its subpoena for McGahn, whom lawmakers consider the “most important” witness in whether Trump obstructed justice in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election.

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
2. Thank you!
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:05 PM
Nov 2019
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. That's not the decision, that's just the order
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:05 PM
Nov 2019

The decision is a lot longer than two pages:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pRMwDMJQtUTt6I7i1LZJ5_XeERAeetvj/view

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
6. 120 pages to be exact and I just read all of it.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 08:10 PM
Nov 2019

It's rock solid and will be all but impossible to overrule or overturn.

Gothmog

(145,107 posts)
4. Neal Katyal-Ruling is a win for Nancy Pelosi and a major loss for trump
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:23 PM
Nov 2019

Gothmog

(145,107 posts)
5. Here is a link to the opinion
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:53 PM
Nov 2019

I have scanned the opinion quickly and it is well written https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016e-a4c4-d442-a5ef-fee4e04c0000

Finally, the Court turns to DOJ’s contention that, quite apart from the accepted
ability of a President to invoke executive privilege to protect confidential information
during the course of aides’ testimony before Congress, as a matter of law, it is the
President who controls whether such aide provides any testimony whatsoever. During
the motions hearing, DOJ’s counsel repeatedly emphasized that the power to invoke
absolute testimonial immunity with respect to current and former senior-level aides
belongs to the President. (See, e.g., Hr’g Tr. at 42:15–16 (“[T]he President owns the
privilege here. So he is the owner of Mr. McGahn’s absolute immunity from
compulsion[.]”), 43:4–6 (“[T]he President owns the privilege as to former officials with
the same vigor with which he owns it to current officials.”), 125:5 (maintaining that
immunity is “the President’s to assert”).) And when asked whether this power of the
Executive is limited to such aides’ communications with Congress in particular, or also
extends to preventing his aides from speaking to anyone else (e.g., the media) even
after their departure from the White House, counsel indicated that while the Executive
branch has “not taken a position on that,” it was “definitely not disclaiming that.” (Id.
at 43:12–16.) This single exchange—which brings to mind an Executive with the power
to oversee and direct certain subordinates’ communications for the remainder of their
natural life—highlights the startling and untenable implications of DOJ’s absolute
testimonial immunity argument, and also amply demonstrates its incompatibility with
our constitutional scheme.
Stated simply, the primary takeaway from the past 250 years of recorded
American history is that Presidents are not kings. See The Federalist No. 51 (James
Madison); The Federalist No. 69 (Alexander Hamilton); 1 Alexis de Tocqueville,
Democracy in America 115–18 (Harvey C. Mansfield & Delba Winthrop eds. & trans.,
Univ. of Chicago Press 2000) (1835). This means that they do not have subjects, bound
by loyalty or blood, whose destiny they are entitled to control. Rather, in this land of
liberty, it is indisputable that current and former employees of the White House work
for the People of the United States, and that they take an oath to protect and defend the
Constitution of the United States. Moreover, as citizens of the United States, current
and former senior-level presidential aides have constitutional rights, including the right
to free speech, and they retain these rights even after they have transitioned back into
private life.
To be sure, there may well be circumstances in which certain aides of the
President possess confidential, classified, or privileged information that cannot be
divulged in the national interest and that such aides may be bound by statute or
executive order to protect. But, in this Court’s view, the withholding of such
information from the public square in the national interest and at the behest of the
President is a duty that the aide herself possesses. Furthermore, as previously
mentioned, in the context of compelled congressional testimony, such withholding is
properly and lawfully executed on a question-by-question basis through the invocation
of a privilege, where appropriate. 34 As such, with the exception of the recognized
restrictions on the ability of current and former public officials to disclose certain
protected information, such officials (including senior-level presidential aides) still
enjoy the full measure of freedom that the Constitution affords. Thus, DOJ’s present
assertion that the absolute testimonial immunity that senior-level presidential aides
possess is, ultimately, owned by the President, and can be invoked by the President to
overcome the aides’ own will to testify, is a proposition that cannot be squared with
core constitutional values, and for this reason alone, it cannot be sustained.

Gothmog

(145,107 posts)
7. Update-judge denied stay during appeal
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 06:03 PM
Dec 2019
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