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Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:26 PM

Not the Onion: Majority of Republicans think Trump a better president than Lincoln

The Economist and YouGov conducted a poll from Nov. 24-26 of 1,500 American adults. In the wide-ranging poll, researchers asked Americans to compare Trump to past U.S. presidents.

53% of Republicans said that Trump is a better president than Lincoln.

For Democrats and Independents, Lincoln is considered to have been the better president with 94% and 78%, respectively.

Republican adults were the only segment polled that considered Trump to be a better president than Lincoln.

At: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-majority-of-republicans-think-trump-a-better-president-than-lincoln/ar-BBXxDF2

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Reply Not the Onion: Majority of Republicans think Trump a better president than Lincoln (Original post)
sandensea Nov 30 OP
AJT Nov 30 #1
tenderfoot Nov 30 #2
redstatebluegirl Nov 30 #3
Talitha Nov 30 #12
bucolic_frolic Nov 30 #4
Polybius Nov 30 #13
mucifer Nov 30 #15
lutherj Nov 30 #21
bucolic_frolic Nov 30 #25
lutherj Nov 30 #30
TwilightZone Nov 30 #24
uponit7771 Dec 1 #38
Turbineguy Nov 30 #5
Ohiogal Nov 30 #6
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 30 #7
Karadeniz Nov 30 #8
RAB910 Nov 30 #9
TruckFump Nov 30 #10
abqtommy Nov 30 #11
Evolve Dammit Nov 30 #14
Pepsidog Nov 30 #16
Dave in VA Nov 30 #17
struggle4progress Nov 30 #18
dchill Dec 1 #34
smirkymonkey Nov 30 #19
MBS Nov 30 #20
ananda Nov 30 #22
JHB Nov 30 #27
lark Nov 30 #23
Blue Owl Nov 30 #26
JHB Nov 30 #28
ThoughtCriminal Nov 30 #29
Cosmocat Nov 30 #32
sandensea Dec 1 #39
regnaD kciN Nov 30 #31
Lugnut Dec 1 #33
nevergiveup Dec 1 #35
Garrett78 Dec 1 #36
Maru Kitteh Dec 1 #37

Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:35 PM

1. Holy f@&k

We.Are.Doomed

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:38 PM

2. Well yeah, since those Republicans are Neo-Confederates

it's no surprise that they would think that.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:38 PM

3. Well Lincoln freed the slaves.

They hate him for that.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:46 PM

12. That was also my first thought.

He freed the slaves - why would a Repug like him?

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:39 PM

4. Abe Lincoln??

Don't get me started.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2003/10/thomas-dilorenzo/the-republican-moneyed-elite/

https://www.amazon.com/Six-Encounters-Lincoln-President-Confronts/dp/0670025909

Lincoln was a mediocre commander in chief and a railroad lawyer who as a result of the Civil War and his northern manufacturer backers, melded America with free market capitalism. He altered citizens consciousness every bit as much as Trump has deluded MAGAts.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:48 PM

13. I tend to agree, I am not a fan either

620,000 Americans died under him.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:58 PM

15. He was brilliant and he had a soul. He struggled with the job. He went into

depressions and felt guilty about all the soldiers who died.

Yes, he was a capitalist and did some bad things.

But, to say trump is a better president than Lincoln is just absurd.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:40 PM

21. Dude was trying to end slavery and preserve the union. Seems quaint now, I know. Here's a quote:

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)

https://ratical.org/corporations/Lincoln.html

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Response to lutherj (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:22 PM

25. Yes, and as a railroad lawyer he helped set the train in motion

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:53 PM

30. Okay, then. You're right. Trump is better than Lincoln. This is DU and Lincoln was a Rethug

so who cares? Splitting hairs. Remind me, why are we rooting for this country again? I mean, a bunch of slave owners found a republic?!! Give me a break! Am I right?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:22 PM

24. Equating Trump and Lincoln is ludicrous.

Regardless of the source.

By the way, Lew Rockwell is a racist hack and a nutjob. Please do not give him or his website any attention.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 04:34 PM

38. ... and the economy was horrible under Obama too hunh?!? 🙄

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:41 PM

5. Lincoln freed the slaves

Trump would never do that.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:43 PM

6. I Don't even know what to say to this.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:57 PM

7. They're still pissed at him for winning the Civil War

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:57 PM

8. Well that's disturbing!

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:18 PM

9. Republicans are racist, they think freeing the slaves

Was a bad thing

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:23 PM

10. IMO, that's cuz Lincoln freed the slaves...

...and Trump is trying to reverse that.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:36 PM

11. The stupid, it burns and cuts deep.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:49 PM

14. I seriously question whether more that 5% of MAGAots could detail actual reasons for their opinion.

Book learnin' ain't their forte. Blind faith in chosen folks is easier and more digestible.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:13 PM

16. Exactly !!

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:16 PM

17. 53% of Retrumplicans

This is your modern republican party. I hope that the DNC will use this poll in there adds.

I bet that 99.9% of the American Nazi Party think that Hitler was a better leader that Lincoln.

Just my $0.02

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:18 PM

18. Let's unravel this

Party Affiliation

In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat or an independent?

2019 Nov 1-14
Republicans 30%
Independents 38%
Democrats 31%


So overall

.53*.3 + (1-.78)*.38 + (1-.94)*.31 = 0.1590+0.0836+0.0186 = 0.2612

or about 1 in 4 Americans will tell pollsters they regard Trump as a better President than Lincoln

But of the Americans, who regard Trump as a better President than Lincoln, about 3/5 are Republican; about 1/3 are independents; and only about 1/14 are Democrats

The Republicans are far out of the mainstream





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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:26 AM

34. I was doing the math in my head when I saw your post.

I came up with 25%, but I'll go with your formula. Lincoln wins, again.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:35 PM

19. You are in "The Twilight Zone".

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:36 PM

20. Crazy-making.

That cartoon is perfect: Im with Abe.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:13 PM

22. Seriously?

How people can be that lost and stupid is beyond me.

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Response to ananda (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:34 PM

27. No, it's not beyond you. It can be summed up in four syllables...

pro
pa
gan
da

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:17 PM

23. Fuckers are still pissed he freed the slaves.

They hate that.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:27 PM

26. Honest Abe vs. Dishonest Don

n/t

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:37 PM

28. It's the inevitable result of turning the Party of Abe into...

...the Party of Ahab.

Be proud, Movement Conservatives. This is what you've ached for all these years.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:52 PM

29. They thought the same thing about Bush II

And then didn't even want him to appear at the next Convention. Trump will be the next non-person of the GOP.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:44 PM

32. Doubtful

Totally different dynamics.

45 IS the Republican party now.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 04:52 PM

39. Your words to God's ear

Of course though, I doubt Cheeto will be with us much longer - what with his 239 cholesterol and 300 pounds.

I don't wish it, since it would only leave us with Dense Pence - but even with good genes, there's only so much a 73 year-old man can take.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:21 PM

31. "Republican adults," in the context of this survey, is an oxymoron.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:16 AM

33. Idiots. n/t

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 02:02 AM

35. I am shocked that 47% of Republicans went with Lincoln.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 02:07 AM

36. Honestly, comparing presidents from different eras is pretty silly, and Lincoln wasn't all that.

That said, in a sane world, everyone would agree that Trump is an incredibly awful president and person. The Republican Party, though, is batshit crazy and the most dangerous organization on the planet.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Sun Dec 1, 2019, 04:10 PM

37. Um - it's probably the economic insecurity making them say that.



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