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blm

(113,047 posts)
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:13 PM Nov 2019

My family just watched The Laundromat. Film made sure to link the corruption

Last edited Sun Dec 1, 2019, 10:59 AM - Edit history (1)

of US laws in certain states that were specifically written to protect the money of the elites from accountability measures. The 3 states mentioned repeatedly that were set up to do it were Delaware, Wyoming, and Nevada.

Tough to watch when you’re an engaged citizen, but, still powerless to combat that level of privilege. Privilege protected by political players who helped write those laws. Every issue we face as a country links to this corruption. We must find a way to elect anti-corruption candidates willing to expose the scheme, regulate the industries involved, and close the loopholes that allow it.

Any other viewers want to add?

Try to carve out some time to watch if you haven’t seen it yet.

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My family just watched The Laundromat. Film made sure to link the corruption (Original Post) blm Nov 2019 OP
I have resisted watching so far. Pepsidog Nov 2019 #1
top of my netflix queue. mopinko Nov 2019 #2
South Dakota included? h2ebits Nov 2019 #3
So much to uncover. I don't think SD was mentioned, but, I may blm Nov 2019 #4
Link to South Dakota story h2ebits Dec 2019 #32
Will watch now. Meantime zentrum Nov 2019 #5
✔️ blm Dec 2019 #37
Saw it tiptonic Nov 2019 #6
Yeah, I think this film could change a few Republican hearts. blm Nov 2019 #11
Wyoming? Scarsdale Nov 2019 #7
Dick Cheney was a congressman for WY KelleyKramer Dec 2019 #21
I did not know that. Scarsdale Dec 2019 #22
Liz Cheney and the entire family work for Dick Cheney lunatica Dec 2019 #30
Likely influenced federal laws to allow for loopholes in states blm Dec 2019 #25
Wyoming is their family home dating back at least to her grandfather. Liz grew up in Casper, WY hlthe2b Dec 2019 #23
Tx, on the list. Gary Oldman, Antonio Banderas, Meryl Streep, Panama Papers appalachiablue Nov 2019 #8
Delaware? Uh? JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #9
Oh yeah!!! Delaware!! It's our own little Cayman Islands LeftInTX Dec 2019 #14
I'm sure the reason is a mystery... JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #15
It's been that way for decades and has nothing to do with Biden if that's wat you're implying. Dream Girl Dec 2019 #26
Oh that was a good one Roland99 Nov 2019 #10
Good. Except the blackface. Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #12
Paying Taxes Is For Suckers DanieRains Nov 2019 #13
Would you pay 3% of your income for Universal Healthcare? JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #16
Sure, already paying more than that. nt Doremus Dec 2019 #29
We're paying around 10% now. blm Dec 2019 #35
NC health insurance is sky high. blm Dec 2019 #36
how many of "us working folks" listen to talk radio gods like liimbaugh and no fucking clue certainot Dec 2019 #19
Offshore Loot leads to planet's super wealthy and Putin Kid Berwyn Dec 2019 #17
i havent watched but if legislation could fix it and isn't then 1500 radio stations play a big part certainot Dec 2019 #18
True. blm Dec 2019 #34
Just watched it on Netflix Zorro Dec 2019 #20
Forget the "helpless" and vote. Over 250,000,000 citizens can vote. Hortensis Dec 2019 #24
$15 trillion squirreled away, last I heard. blm Dec 2019 #38
And in spite of their power, nations are increasingly going Hortensis Dec 2019 #39
It's both educational and entertaining The Blue Flower Dec 2019 #27
Watched it with mr blm and our 19yo daughter blm Dec 2019 #33
It's on my list to see... Upthevibe Dec 2019 #28
For those with Prime, The Report, is another Ninga Dec 2019 #31

h2ebits

(644 posts)
3. South Dakota included?
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:59 PM
Nov 2019

I haven't watched the movie yet but I recently read an article in which South Dakota featured predominantly. It seems they had a governor that had the laws changed so that CITI would open up for credit card business without usury laws to stop them from charging outrageous interest rates--other credit card companies followed. Then this governor changed other laws to allow for perpetual trusts to be created that allow a hiding place for the extraordinarily wealthy to deposit money protected from taxes--forever and forever. Thus, SD is now considered to be a secret hiding place, like offshore accounts, for hording money. Other states have followed their lead. Anybody else read the article?

blm

(113,047 posts)
4. So much to uncover. I don't think SD was mentioned, but, I may
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:04 PM
Nov 2019

have missed. The other 3 states were mentioned several times.

h2ebits

(644 posts)
32. Link to South Dakota story
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 03:34 PM
Dec 2019

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-american-tax-haven-why-the-super-rich-love-south-dakota-trust-laws?]

The article is long and is eye-opening. It explains another aspect of how all of the people in the world are being scammed by the oligarchs. Here are two excerpts:

"The money of the world’s mega-wealthy, though, is heading there in ever-larger volumes. In the past decade, hundreds of billions of dollars have poured out of traditional offshore jurisdictions such as Switzerland and Jersey, and into a small number of American states: Delaware, Nevada, Wyoming – and, above all, South Dakota. “To some, South Dakota is a ‘fly-over’ state,” the chief justice of the state’s supreme court said in a speech to the legislature in January. “While many people may find a way to ‘fly over’ South Dakota, somehow their dollars find a way to land here.”

Super-rich people choose between jurisdictions in the same way that middle-class people choose between ISAs: they want the best security, the best income and the lowest costs. That is why so many super-rich people are choosing South Dakota, which has created the most potent force-field money can buy – a South Dakotan trust. If an ordinary person puts money in the bank, the government taxes what little interest it earns. Even if that money is protected from taxes by an ISA, you can still lose it through divorce or legal proceedings. A South Dakotan trust changes all that: it protects assets from claims from ex-spouses, disgruntled business partners, creditors, litigious clients and pretty much anyone else. It won’t protect you from criminal prosecution, but it does prevent information on your assets from leaking out in a way that might spark interest from the police. And it shields your wealth from the government, since South Dakota has no income tax, no inheritance tax and no capital gains tax.

A decade ago, South Dakotan trust companies held $57.3bn in assets. By the end of 2020, that total will have risen to $355.2bn. Those hundreds of billions of dollars are being regulated by a state with a population smaller than Norfolk, a part-time legislature heavily lobbied by trust lawyers, and an administration committed to welcoming as much of the world’s money as it can. US politicians like to boast that their country is the best place in the world to get rich, but South Dakota has become something else: the best place in the world to stay rich."

snip

"Fresh from having freed wealthy corporations from onerous regulations, Janklow [Governor William “Wild Bill” Janklow, a US marine and son of a Nuremberg prosecutor, who became governor in 1979 and led South Dakota for a total of 16 years.] looked around for a way to free wealthy individuals too, and thus came to the decision that would eventually turn South Dakota into a Switzerland for the 21st century. He decided to deregulate trusts.

Trusts are ancient and complex financial instruments that are used to own assets, such as real estate or company stock. Unlike a person, a trust is immortal, which was an attractive prospect for English aristocrats of the Middle Ages who wished to make sure their property remained in their families for ever, and would be secure from any confiscation by the crown. This caused a problem, however. More and more property risked being locked up in trusts, subject to the wishes of long-dead people, which no one could alter. So, in the 17th century, judges fought back by creating the “rule against perpetuities”, which limited the duration of trusts to around a century, and prevented aristocratic families turning their local areas into mini-kingdoms."

snip

"English emigrants took the rule to North America with them, and the dynamic recycling of wealth became even more frenetic in the land of the free. Then Governor Janklow came along. In 1983, he abolished the rule against perpetuities and, from that moment on, property placed in trust in South Dakota would stay there for ever. A rule created by English judges after centuries of consideration was erased by a law of just 19 words. Aristocracy was back in the game."









zentrum

(9,865 posts)
5. Will watch now. Meantime
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:09 PM
Nov 2019

.....try to catch Dark Waters, the movie about investigating how DuPont is poisoning everyone. Mark Ruffalo and Tim Robbins.

And The Report about a Feinstein aide hell-bent on investigating the truth about Cheney's CIA torture. Adam Driver and Annette Benning.

tiptonic

(765 posts)
6. Saw it
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:09 PM
Nov 2019

Saw it a couple of weeks ago, at my daughters house. She is liberal like me, her husband is a stock broker. Has been a republican all his life. Said he would never vote republican again. The corporations and fat cats, are killing the goose (the U.S. economy) that laid the golden egg. Maybe there is hope after all.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
7. Wyoming?
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:11 PM
Nov 2019

Is this where Liz Cheney decided to relocate? I thought it was a strange choice when she ran for office to represent Wyoming.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
30. Liz Cheney and the entire family work for Dick Cheney
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:42 PM
Dec 2019

It’s important to remember that. Liz does what her father tells her to do.

Dick Cheney loves being the invisible guy behind the scenes who gets his agenda done. He’s never cared about fame. He is a believer in America as THE only Superpower in the world who keeps every other country in line and subservient through an overpowering military power.

You bet Liz saw an opportunity and jumped on it. Wyoming is under the radar pretty much so it’s the perfect place to be elected so they can proceed with their agenda. They love to be invisible.

I think Liz Cheney’s recent press releases giving Trump faint praise is her maneuvering the renaissance of the New Republican Party which will rise after Trump has destroyed the present Republican Party. She, or her father, to be more exact, is trying to position herself as the leader.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
8. Tx, on the list. Gary Oldman, Antonio Banderas, Meryl Streep, Panama Papers
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:14 PM
Nov 2019


Trailer. (Vox). The premise: Many of the world’s most wealthy and powerful people manage to stay that way in part because of legal loopholes and offshore banks that allow them to evade paying taxes. Their behavior has widespread and devastating effects, as the world learned in 2016 when the leaked 'Panama Papers' were published. But the Panama Papers comprise more than 11 million documents, and they’re really confusing to parse. So let’s make a bleak comedy about them!...
https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/10/18/20919563/laundromat-review-netflix-panama-papers-soderbergh-streep-banderas

LeftInTX

(25,259 posts)
14. Oh yeah!!! Delaware!! It's our own little Cayman Islands
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 12:01 AM
Dec 2019

Many financial services (credit card companies, collection agencies) are based in Delaware due to some lack of regulation.

In addition, the Delaware General Corporation Law, which forms the basis of the Courts' opinions, is widely regarded as giving great flexibility to corporations to manage their affairs. For these reasons, Delaware is considered to have the most business-friendly legal system in the United States; therefore a great number of companies are incorporated in Delaware, including 60% of the companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange.[86]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware

Kid Berwyn

(14,887 posts)
17. Offshore Loot leads to planet's super wealthy and Putin
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 12:17 AM
Dec 2019

Revealed: the $2bn offshore trail that leads to Vladimir Putin

A massive leak of documents shines new light on the fabulous fortunes of the Russian president’s inner circle

Putin’s best friend: the cellist who holds the key to his fortune

Iceland’s PM faces snap election over revelations

What are the Panama Papers?

Panama Papers: global reaction – live


by Luke Harding
The Guardian, April 3, 2016

A network of secret offshore deals and vast loans worth $2bn has laid a trail to Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin.

An unprecedented leak of documents shows how this money has made members of Putin’s close circle fabulously wealthy.

Though the president’s name does not appear in any of the records, the data reveals a pattern – his friends have earned millions from deals that seemingly could not have been secured without his patronage.

The documents suggest Putin’s family has benefited from this money – his friends’ fortunes appear his to spend.

The files are part of an unprecedented leak of millions of papers from the database of Mossack Fonseca, the world’s fourth biggest offshore law firm. They show how the rich and powerful are able to exploit secret offshore tax regimes in myriad ways.

The offshore trail starts in Panama, darts through Russia, Switzerland and Cyprus – and includes a private ski resort where Putin’s younger daughter, Katerina, got married in 2013.

Continues...

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/panama-papers-money-hidden-offshore
 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
18. i havent watched but if legislation could fix it and isn't then 1500 radio stations play a big part
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 12:18 AM
Dec 2019

especially since, unlike the usual target fox, those radio stations are locally coordinated by 'free market' think tanks to stop any legislative attempts to regulate that bullshit. not sure about delaware but wyo and nev are talk radio states and for many any attempt to regulate the money, those stations would amplify the billllionaires interests - while those who give a shit listen to music and have no clue what 50 mil a week are hearing on the radio while they drive, work, and do chores. even while they might have an open mind for some alternatives, that kremlin-directed rw global warming-denying bullshit is the only free easy source for politics they can get.

blm

(113,047 posts)
34. True.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 06:13 PM
Dec 2019

That’s really why RW radio talkers were worth the multimillion salaries for their financial elite masters.

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
20. Just watched it on Netflix
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:01 AM
Dec 2019

It will piss you off to see how the legal system has been used by both corporations and individuals to evade responsibility and avoid taxes using offshore shell companies. Meryl Streep ends the film with a righteous rant about the corruption that pervades our campaign financing system. It is not a pleasant movie to watch, but it wasn’t intended to be.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Forget the "helpless" and vote. Over 250,000,000 citizens can vote.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 06:49 AM
Dec 2019

70,000 ultrawealthy families know that, hope to hell we continue to let the bastards among them get away with it, but hide money in other nations against the day.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. And in spite of their power, nations are increasingly going
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:17 PM
Dec 2019

after their nut hoards. Even conservative governments want their money for use at home, and in this application the information age is not their friend.

The Blue Flower

(5,442 posts)
27. It's both educational and entertaining
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 11:17 AM
Dec 2019

Also enraging. I watched with my daughter. We both give it a big thumbs up.

Upthevibe

(8,039 posts)
28. It's on my list to see...
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:07 PM
Dec 2019

Thanks for the heads up about The Laundromat.

I'm also playing on seeing Dark Waters. For those of you who can, I encourage you to watch the panel discussion about this situation with Mark Ruffalo, Rob Bilot (the attorney), and a local woman who's life was one of those impacted.

Ninga

(8,275 posts)
31. For those with Prime, The Report, is another
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 02:35 PM
Dec 2019

must see! It’s about the Cheney unauthorized torture detention program.

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