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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 10:56 AM Sep 2012

Americans think “the cloud” is a real cloud

Citrix recently commissioned a study to find out what the average American consumer thinks about cloud computing. The results show that even though people are using cloud computing extensively, they don’t really understand what it is – some even think it’s a “real” cloud, like in the sky.

For example, 51 percent of respondents, including a majority of Millennials, believe stormy weather can interfere with cloud computing.

Despite that, 97 percent of those polled are actually using the technology in some form or another – online shopping, banking, social networking and file sharing all qualify as “cloud” services.

If nothing else, this demonstrates the absence of technical literacy among general consumers, and the confusion that’s created when people insist on adopting cute monikers like “cloud” to describe something that can be clearly defined in plain language: network-based file storage and data management.

http://www.loopinsight.com/2012/09/05/americans-think-the-cloud-is-a-real-cloud

Sigh... I weep for the future.

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Americans think “the cloud” is a real cloud (Original Post) onehandle Sep 2012 OP
... quinnox Sep 2012 #1
LOL Xyzse Sep 2012 #22
not sure quinnox Sep 2012 #39
True... Xyzse Sep 2012 #40
please kill me phantom power Sep 2012 #2
ROFL ROFL ROFL... snooper2 Sep 2012 #3
Be sure to bring your umbrella, scattered showers up there today! nt flamingdem Sep 2012 #12
And it has tubes hooked up to it! n2doc Sep 2012 #4
Called "tornados". gkhouston Sep 2012 #43
Here's an image of the cloud gettin' information from the ocean! n2doc Sep 2012 #45
Multiple data streams and too much churning. n/t gkhouston Sep 2012 #46
This reminds me of when..... RagAss Sep 2012 #5
The Religious Right and the New Age Left are driving us into a new Dark Ages. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #6
God is up there too in the cloud with an iphone and a long beard nt flamingdem Sep 2012 #7
IPad, actually, tavalon Sep 2012 #10
ROFL gollygee Sep 2012 #8
Oh, my tavalon Sep 2012 #9
Technology changes faster than people can get use to using it. Most people don't give a shit. upaloopa Sep 2012 #11
We aren't asking people to know the difference between a nand and nor gate snooper2 Sep 2012 #34
Like I said, it is a generation thing. I think you don't understand that. upaloopa Sep 2012 #49
Ha! tk2kewl Sep 2012 #13
maybe the 51% aren't so far off foo_bar Sep 2012 #14
"fried some customers " isnt that illegal? leftyohiolib Sep 2012 #16
Maybe that's because most people can't figure out what it's for. randome Sep 2012 #15
that is just one small aspect of cloud based computing.. snooper2 Sep 2012 #35
But that's what it's primarily sold as. randome Sep 2012 #37
Stormy Weather Really Does Interfere With The Cloud Tace Sep 2012 #17
The weather interferes with my internet connection bhikkhu Sep 2012 #18
Yeah, you can be a techno geek without being obnoxious. randome Sep 2012 #19
Why are you attacking him/her? Inuca Sep 2012 #24
The 'weep for the future' line of the OP sounds like snobbery to me. randome Sep 2012 #29
That's fine, but you were Inuca Sep 2012 #47
I was agreeing with bhikkhu's final paragraph. randome Sep 2012 #54
Thanks - I didn't take it as an attack bhikkhu Sep 2012 #55
Apologies then n/t Inuca Sep 2012 #59
+100. and predictably, it elicits the kneejerk 'omg, americans (except me) are sooooo stuuupid' HiPointDem Sep 2012 #58
This can't be real. No one is this stupid. TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #20
OMG Whovian Sep 2012 #21
I see your OMG and raise you an OMFG! nt Speck Tater Sep 2012 #36
Well... yes, about that stormy weather Inuca Sep 2012 #23
I think "The Cloud" is simply the latest techobuzz.. MicaelS Sep 2012 #25
We used to call it "hosted" Taverner Sep 2012 #27
Except that the cloud is actually happening. onehandle Sep 2012 #33
Not a single engineering company I have ever worked for, kentauros Sep 2012 #52
Fat (distributed) server/thin client 9.3. Oh! And I've actually seen one! A paperless office! Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #38
Well stormy weather COULD affect the "cloud" Taverner Sep 2012 #26
Any group that hideously mixes imagery ("mouse," "web," now "cloud") ought not scorn its observers. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #28
Americans believe in ANGELS, for crying out loud! nt valerief Sep 2012 #30
I've been building "cloud" apps since the 90's, and I'd have answered yes to that question Xithras Sep 2012 #31
for a good percentage of them... Javaman Sep 2012 #32
Well most Americans think Barack Obama is from Kenya. Hutzpa Sep 2012 #41
Nowhere close to 'most Americans' believe that n/t RZM Sep 2012 #51
Should have said few Americans. Hutzpa Sep 2012 #53
Sorry but stormy weather can affect the cloud Egnever Sep 2012 #42
Well stormy weather can interfere with any computing... ljm2002 Sep 2012 #44
Damn these confounded computers! DefenseLawyer Sep 2012 #48
I can see these people falling for scam devices SilveryMoon Sep 2012 #50
"these people"? bhikkhu Sep 2012 #56
By that definition the cloud is really old. jp11 Sep 2012 #57
 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
39. not sure
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:41 PM
Sep 2012

It's actually fairly common image used on internet forums, it was easy to find it on the internet which is what I did. I'm a star trek fan but I'm not the type that has encyclopedia like knowledge as some others do regarding the episodes.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. ROFL ROFL ROFL...
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:00 AM
Sep 2012

Ironic I'm jumping on a call in two minutes to talk about a new "cloud" we are thinking about setting up in the network for some certain applications


I wish I had that thread still where I was arguing with somebody that "Anybody" can do "Any" job LOL....

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
45. Here's an image of the cloud gettin' information from the ocean!
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 02:24 PM
Sep 2012


That ship must have asked for some GPS , or something!

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
6. The Religious Right and the New Age Left are driving us into a new Dark Ages.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:01 AM
Sep 2012

We are a nation of ignorant dolts.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
11. Technology changes faster than people can get use to using it. Most people don't give a shit.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:13 AM
Sep 2012

Most people don't burn incense to the alter of technology, nor should they.

It's like this, there is all this new stuff available but do you really need to use it? To me it's like going to the salad bar and picking out the things you want to eat. You're certainly not going to eat everything that is available.

I think the younger you are the more you are going to use new technology because that's what you are use to. You can't wait to try out what the industry puts before you. If you are older you lived perfectly well without it and you pick what is most useful to you and leave the rest.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
34. We aren't asking people to know the difference between a nand and nor gate
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:29 PM
Sep 2012

Just to understand that there isn't some magical circuit going into the clouds


Of course billions of humans believe in magic sky people so maybe it is too much to ask LOL

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
49. Like I said, it is a generation thing. I think you don't understand that.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 03:42 PM
Sep 2012

Older people hearing cloud would never associate it with technology. I'm 66 and I know a lot of people older than me who are the people I'm talking about. There is nothing about it that is humorous. It is just the way it is.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
13. Ha!
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:15 AM
Sep 2012

At a job I had back in the 90s we were upgrading all of our technology from mainframes and green-screen terminals to windows NT servers and workstations and my boss actually told people they needed to make sure they washed their hands so they didn't give the PCs a virus.

foo_bar

(4,193 posts)
14. maybe the 51% aren't so far off
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:18 AM
Sep 2012

A local data center (which happens to use Citrix products) fried some customers after the ceiling sprung a leak due to excessive rainfall collecting on the building's roof, so I think weather could affect "the cloud" on some level (although it probably shouldn't (esp. if your idea of cloud computing isn't a dozen XenServers in the same room), but Citrix is probably guiltier than anyone of abusing the nebular metaphor, even going so far as to acquire cloud.com to boost their Cloud Cred (if your idea of a marketing coup is to name your 'cloud' "Cloud", well, that's like registering "internet.com" to corner the market on IP) after spending five years seeding nebulous imagery in order to moisten their (hypervisor oriented) product line.)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. Maybe that's because most people can't figure out what it's for.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:21 AM
Sep 2012

Giving your data to a third party to manage is just begging for tragedies to occur.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
37. But that's what it's primarily sold as.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:38 PM
Sep 2012

You give up your data or you give up the ability to run your own applications in your own sandbox. I don't see the reason for it. Some companies are jumping on the bandwagon without having thought through the potential consequences.

Tace

(6,800 posts)
17. Stormy Weather Really Does Interfere With The Cloud
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:23 AM
Sep 2012

...if you're on a satellite connection to the network.

Just sayin'.

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
18. The weather interferes with my internet connection
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:25 AM
Sep 2012

...which is line-of-sight to a satellite uplink (or something like that).

Without seeing the questions asked, I'd take this as a throw-away "people are stupid" piece, based on things that can be easily misunderstood, and answers that can be easily twisted.

Can we not fall for the meme that the US is incredibly stupid, just for once? How about the argument that goes along with that - that Americans are incredibly lazy?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. Yeah, you can be a techno geek without being obnoxious.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:27 AM
Sep 2012

Not everyone gives a shit about the latest 'fashions' in computing.

Inuca

(8,945 posts)
24. Why are you attacking him/her?
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:59 AM
Sep 2012

What latest techno fashions are you referring to? Satellite? S/he is probably in a situation similar to mine, living in the middle of nowhere, and satellite is the only available option short of dial-up. I wish I did not have ot use this latest fashion, it's lousy and EXPENSIVE, but I do not have a choice.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
29. The 'weep for the future' line of the OP sounds like snobbery to me.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:22 PM
Sep 2012

And I've been a programmer for 20 years. I know technology and I know people who have better things to do with their lives than read up on all the latest fashions.

That has nothing to do with those who love technology and want to immerse themselves in it. Or, like yourself, who have no choice.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
54. I was agreeing with bhikkhu's final paragraph.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:46 PM
Sep 2012

I think you mistook my post as an attack. It wasn't.

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
55. Thanks - I didn't take it as an attack
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 12:14 AM
Sep 2012

though I wasn't as clear as I could have been. My point was that it was likely a bogus study, and that I might have answered yes or no myself, depending on exactly how the question was phrased. There are too many bogus "studies" around, pre-designed to get a desired response, which then becomes a headline, then a talking point, and then an accepted fact.

What I particularly don't like are ones that make people in general appear stupid or lazy or worthless, and then when they are published you get predictable "our country sucks!", "people are so stupid!", "the [....]'s are just worthless!" responses - so it bothers me to see chiming in agreement here on that sort of thing. This one might be basically trivial, but every little bit erodes away our respect for each other, our dignity, and our basic love for humanity.

Too far down that road and the republican's positions begin to make sense!

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
58. +100. and predictably, it elicits the kneejerk 'omg, americans (except me) are sooooo stuuupid'
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 12:32 AM
Sep 2012

responses.

 

Whovian

(2,866 posts)
21. OMG
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:36 AM
Sep 2012

Teh stupid. It burns. What has happened to this country? (Leaving out references to Tx school book publishers, Evangelical politicals striving to put literal Biblical translations into our educational systems and the push by the corpratocity to dumb down the populace.

Back to the middle ages again.

Inuca

(8,945 posts)
23. Well... yes, about that stormy weather
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:55 AM
Sep 2012

like what I had until a few minutes ago (tornado warning fortunately nothing happened, just a few tiny, tiny branches on the ground and lots of much needed rain) AND you have to use a satellite ISP, under these conditions, stormy weather sure as hell interferes with my access to the "cloud"

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
25. I think "The Cloud" is simply the latest techobuzz..
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sep 2012

Some businesses are trying to sell other businesses. Sort of like "the Paperless Office". Remember that?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
33. Except that the cloud is actually happening.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:27 PM
Sep 2012

All of the major players are selling or giving away cloud services.

Offices are less paper-centric than they used to be. Several printer makers have either gotten out of the business or plan to. The iPad is accelerating this process.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
52. Not a single engineering company I have ever worked for,
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 06:03 PM
Sep 2012

nor continue to work for, has ever considered going paperless. Really, even with "printing" all drawings to PDF first, we're still printing them out to either half-size (11x17) or full-size (24x36). And that's just to do markups and redlines on them. Those then get stapled to the "Scrubbed" prints before they get another go over by another set of engineers and designers. They and their clients have been the most resistant to losing the paper that I've ever seen.

Perhaps if the technology for large-scale e-Ink displays takes off, then we'll see engineering and architectural firms dumping the need for "hard copies." I don't see that happening for at least five years if not more, much more. Tiny tablets can't replace large-scale viewing. You likely won't see tablets replacing most GIS displays, either,

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
38. Fat (distributed) server/thin client 9.3. Oh! And I've actually seen one! A paperless office!
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:39 PM
Sep 2012

After 25 years of searching I finally found one paperless office. The only paper in or generated by it is that which is required by law. An architect in LA. They don't even do paper paychecks/stubs.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
31. I've been building "cloud" apps since the 90's, and I'd have answered yes to that question
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:26 PM
Sep 2012

A substantial percentage of Americans live in areas where telecom gets flaky in bad weather. Old cables hanging from poles are rarely weather proof.

Which is why inclement weather interferes with cloud computing. When your apps are all in the cloud, you're locked out of everything when your connection goes down.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
41. Well most Americans think Barack Obama is from Kenya.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:44 PM
Sep 2012

otherwise they'll be on the streets demanding the tax returns of Mitt Romney.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
53. Should have said few Americans.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:42 PM
Sep 2012

you are right, majority of Americans will be voting for him come November.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
42. Sorry but stormy weather can affect the cloud
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 02:02 PM
Sep 2012

Be it because you lose your connection to the internet or a tornado takes out a data center with no redundancy in another location.

Looking down on people who believe weather can affect it makes you look more stupid than the people polled. Now those people who believe it really is a cloud in the sky well....

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
44. Well stormy weather can interfere with any computing...
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 02:19 PM
Sep 2012

...as it can knock electricity out and can interfere with reception. Some people do get their internet service through satellite dishes.

Anyway, the "cloud" concept has been sold to people as a marketing ploy. All it really is, is servers vs. using one's own computer for processing and data storage. Big deal.

I do get tired of all these "Americans are stupid" posts, especially when the question is as ambiguous as the one cited. Yes, stormy weather can interfere with any kind of computing. If it knocks my power out, it interferes with my own local computing. If the power outage is widespread, then damn straight it can interfere with "cloud computing". But how clever to word the question in such a way that you can convince yourself that the people responding to the question think the computers are up there in the clouds. Ha. Ha. Ha. Stupid Americans. (BTW that is the collective "you", not you personally, just to be clear).

SilveryMoon

(121 posts)
50. I can see these people falling for scam devices
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 03:55 PM
Sep 2012

that ensure cloud computing will always work even in "stormy weather".

And I won't shed one tear when these people part with their money like a fool.

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
56. "these people"?
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 12:20 AM
Sep 2012

Nice. As said upthread, the weather does affect my internet connection, which is of a common type relying on line-of-sight to a satellite uplink. I wouldn't jump to conclusions about how foolish people are without seeing the actual questions that were asked.

And if someone was so foolish as to not know exactly how the internet works, I wouldn't wish that they be scammed and cheated in any case. There is a party that hates and disparages people in general - but you won't much of that here.

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