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Jeezus krist...any chance what's going on right now (west descending into fascism) is just cyclical????!
AJT
(5,240 posts)Please don't equate me with Bannon (I don't think you are...).
I am so exhausted by this constant distraction of our country and the world falling apart. Becoming truly hard to function.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Everything is cyclical. It is like a wheel turning or the seasons changing.
I don't think that provides any excuse for authoritarianism or Fascism though. We may go through cycles of change that swing from one pole to the other, but when we realize that and apply ourselves, then that's all the reason to recognize the imbalance and use our knowledge, reason and logic, (and some consider a deeper spirituality or mind) to thwart the extremes and bring it back to a homeostasis.
The West seems to be great a what the Hopi's called Koyaanisqatsii, or life out of balance and out of touch with nature's way. We see this lack of recognition of how everything is interdependent as the results of the Anthropocene extinction phase, toxic chemical pollution and disturbances in the engine of weather.
Life does have its struggles, so finding our own center and inner peace and recharging our batteries can be found with the ability to detach often from The Spectacle since it seems to function in a way that intends to disturb that, (it bleeds it leads). We should consider that to maintain a system, (like democracy) it does require an informed and vigilant citizenry, so the cycles of political and economic change were already factored in long ago. They knew this and maybe we get lulled into a trance where we forget that necessity.
cilla4progress
(24,718 posts)Yes, I certainly didn't mean it is" only" cyclical, or somehow natural.
What I mean is, people seem to have a self-destructive negating almost death wish tendency to toy with authoritarianism on a recurring basis, that is, to replace self-detemination (so much work!) with an autocratic system that resolves the gray areas and simply tells us what to do and how to think.
Of course this is historically triggered by insecurity - economic, survival, and, my view at this time, environmental. We retreat to tribalism. What set off the Hutus and Tutsis?
unblock
(52,123 posts)we are now reasonable characterized as a failed democracy.
here's a small list of problems with out so-called democracy:
gerrymandering
too much money in politics
foreign money in politics
voter suppression
felony disenfranchisement
dubious voting machines
engineering long lines at certain voting precincts
voting roll purges
senate increasingly unrepresentative
electoral college
right-wing biased media
corruption of government agencies
reduction of effective oversight by government agencies
government inability/refusal to hold republicans accountable
stacking of courts with right-wing hyper-partisans
constant presidential grifting
abuse of office
presidential contempt of congress
presidential contempt of the constitution
and the list goes on.
if we're still a democracy, we're a democracy with a *lot* of problems. donnie being president is merely one of them.
but if we're a fascist country, it all makes much more sense. the only problem we have as a fascist country is that the party in power doesn't yet have full control of the so-called elections.
scary times....
cilla4progress
(24,718 posts)agree. Failed democracy.
JHB
(37,157 posts)...and one side has a lot more resources to act as multipliers to their numbers.
Arthur_Frain
(1,840 posts)Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it Ive heard this one a million times. Someone more recent said No, it isnt that we cant remember history, its that human nature is immutable. Think they were on to something, and its less cyclical than it is always with us. And yes, thats petty damned depressing.