Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:46 AM

Ferrets are Cool (13,351 posts)

Remember when "Godwin's Law" was still in full effect?

I don't know whether to

It's horrifying how ONE person/One event changed EVERYTHING.

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Remember when "Godwin's Law" was still in full effect? (Original post)	Ferrets are Cool	Dec 2019	OP
godwin's law? comparing trump to hitler is an insult to hitler.	rampartc	Dec 2019	#1
Godwin's Law is always in...	tonedevil	Dec 2019	#2
Godwin's Law predates today's Republican Party and	Hortensis	Dec 2019	#5
Trump isn't Hitler or a Nazi, he is a modern day fascist, christofascist.	Thomas Hurt	Dec 2019	#3
Seems like pretty much the same thing	FiveGoodMen	Dec 2019	#4
All authoritarians use the same playbook...	Wounded Bear	Dec 2019	#7
It was certainly an oft-used internet meme.	LanternWaste	Dec 2019	#6
The problem is that Godwin's Law was used far too often to stop debates...	Wounded Bear	Dec 2019	#8
Great post Wounded Bear!!	Ferrets are Cool	Dec 2019	#9
Thanks...	Wounded Bear	Dec 2019	#12
I never liked Godwin's Law	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#10
Very true. nt	Ferrets are Cool	Dec 2019	#11
Godwin of Godwin's Law: 'By All Means, Compare These Shitheads to the Nazis'	muriel_volestrangler	Dec 2019	#13

Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:50 AM

rampartc (3,368 posts)

1. godwin's law? comparing trump to hitler is an insult to hitler.

we will have to invent new internet laws to describe the trump era.

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Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:52 AM

tonedevil (2,522 posts)

2. Godwin's Law is always in...

effect. The law states:

As a discussion on the Internet grows longer, the likelihood of a blockquote]full of a person's being compared to Hitler or another Nazi reference, increases.

There isn't any contest or idea that if you are the party that brings up Hittler and/or Nazies you lose.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:39 AM

Hortensis (44,056 posts)

5. Godwin's Law predates today's Republican Party and

the acceleration of fascistic, anti-democracy strategies and goals. References to Nazis are no longer irritatingly stupid and boring. A leading expert in authoritarian takeovers, asked what concerned lay people should watch for, said we need to watch out for "mean people."

I just heard that one husband who would talk in a study group at church about Yom Kippur in honor of a Jewish grandparent didn't this year. They have a business here to worry about, and people are getting mean.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 10:59 AM

Thomas Hurt (9,414 posts)

3. Trump isn't Hitler or a Nazi, he is a modern day fascist, christofascist.

Scapegoating
Fear Mongering
Racist
Militaristic
Propagandizing
Misogynistic
Reactionary
Jingoistic
Authoritarian

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:35 AM

FiveGoodMen (20,018 posts)

4. Seems like pretty much the same thing

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:52 AM

Wounded Bear (43,243 posts)

7. All authoritarians use the same playbook...

they just use different tools in differing times and situations.

Generally, though, they all do the same things to take over a government.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:51 AM

LanternWaste (36,867 posts)

6. It was certainly an oft-used internet meme.

Short enough to fit on a t-shirt, long enough to maintain the pretense of depth.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 11:57 AM

Wounded Bear (43,243 posts)

8. The problem is that Godwin's Law was used far too often to stop debates...

that really needed to be futhered. Trump didn't just materialize out of thin air, the Repubs have been laying the groundwork for a one party takeover of our government for decades. Far, far too many people who were trying to warn us about authoritarianism were told to shut up because they were just falling into the "Godwin's Law" trap.

History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme, and those who were actually listening to the music building to the current crescendo were shut down because "Godwin's Law."

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:19 PM

Ferrets are Cool (13,351 posts)

9. Great post Wounded Bear!!

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:25 PM

Wounded Bear (43,243 posts)

12. Thanks...

was just thinking how the RW noise machine and echo chamber has distorted discourse in our country over the last 20-30 years, and I'm not happy.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:20 PM

JonLP24 (27,475 posts)

10. I never liked Godwin's Law

There are far right nationalists all over the world. Hitler wasn't the only one.

This is the DU member formerly known as JonLP24.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:22 PM

Ferrets are Cool (13,351 posts)

11. Very true. nt

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:36 PM

muriel_volestrangler (95,374 posts)

13. Godwin of Godwin's Law: 'By All Means, Compare These Shitheads to the Nazis'

In this case, however, the discussion concerns “alt righters” marching in Charlottesville who were, well, flying swastikas, Sieg Heil-ing, and wearing shirts with Hitler quotes. And Godwin himself took to Facebook to let everyone know that if it walks like a Nazi and talks like a Nazi, you better let people know what it really is.

Link to tweet

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you."

https://gizmodo.com/godwin-of-godwins-law-by-all-means-compare-these-shi-1797807646

And about the Trump regime:

When I woke up this morning, “Nazis” and “#TrumpConcentrationCamps” were trending on Twitter, and on Laura Ingraham’s show, Attorney General Jeff Sessions found himself defending himself against comparison to the Nazis.

His defense: “It’s a real exaggeration, of course. In Nazi Germany, they were keeping the Jews from leaving the country.”

Link to tweet

John Podhoretz: "Stop already with the Nazi and Hitler analogies. Really. Stop. What's happening is its own kind of bad and you court discrediting the seriousness of your complaints about it by overstating things so tastelessly and wrongly."

Link to tweet

Mike Godwin: "My answer: if your argument is that terrible policy is not really as bad as what the Nazis did, that’s a weak defense."

https://www.pajiba.com/politics/the-guy-who-came-up-with-godwins-law-now-says-its-ok-to-compare-the-white-house-to-nazis.php

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