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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:41 PM Dec 2019

DO NOT TRUST COPS!!! EVER!!! Cops caught lying about lie-detector results.



Cops are legally allowed to lie to you about facts of the case to trick you into a confession.

Cops are NOT allowed to lie to you about facts outside of the case to trick you into a confession.



The case described above is about a guy inappropriately touching a woman.

The cops first interrogated the guy after making him sleep in a cold cell without a blanket. He agreed to a lie-detector test.

The cops lied to him that a lie-detector test is a straight-up pass/fail test, when in reality the results are merely hints and open to interpretation.

The result of the test, by the own adission of the detective, was "inconclusive". Neither "pass" nor "fail". The detective informed the accused that he has "not passed" the test, which, based on the misinformation that had been provided to him, lead the accused to erroneously believe that he had failed the lie-detector test.

The cops kept badgering him that he was lying and the accused (by his own testimony in court) got confused after hours and hours of interrogation and being lied to by the cops and began to distrust his own memory. So he made statements that make him look guilty.

During the trial, the judge ruled that the statements the defendant had made while erroneously believing that he had failed the lie-detector test were admissible evidence.

During that very same trial, the court also ruled that, as lie-detector tests are not admissible as evidence, the defendant would not be allowed to tell the jury THAT THERE HAD BEEN a lie-detector test and that he had been lied to about the results.

During that very same trial, the jury got a REDACTED transcript of the interrogation, even though the defendant insisted that the jury gets to see the full video-tape of his interrogation.







When you get arrested, do not believe ANYTHING a cop tells you.
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DO NOT TRUST COPS!!! EVER!!! Cops caught lying about lie-detector results. (Original Post) DetlefK Dec 2019 OP
The first words out of your mouth should be "I want a lawyer." End of story. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #1
They are nearly ALL bad cops, imo Iwasthere Dec 2019 #2
Good lord, what BS. tritsofme Dec 2019 #5
Cops do turn a blind eye JonLP24 Dec 2019 #8
How so? Iwasthere Dec 2019 #10
I was married to one. safeinOhio Dec 2019 #14
bullshit. nt AnotherMother4Peace Dec 2019 #13
I smell BS. Archae Dec 2019 #3
Police use lie detectors to screw with suspects. JonLP24 Dec 2019 #4
The lie-detector results are not allowed. But statements based on results are allowed. DetlefK Dec 2019 #6
In my divorce I took one safeinOhio Dec 2019 #15
Wrong. Cops use polygraphs to coerce confessions all the time. kcr Dec 2019 #17
I've had a number of friends who were cops. Happy Hoosier Dec 2019 #7
I agree. Tipperary Dec 2019 #9
Repeat the words "I want a lawyer" over and over. Answer nothing. TeamPooka Dec 2019 #11
All you have to do is say you are not talking without an attorney present. Opel_Justwax Dec 2019 #12
"I will be glad to answer all questions safeinOhio Dec 2019 #16

Iwasthere

(3,138 posts)
2. They are nearly ALL bad cops, imo
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:57 PM
Dec 2019

If they turn a blind eye to this type stuff. Some carry drugs and guns for planting. Many are Bullys looking for opportunities to drive someone to the pavement and humiliate them, even children, they find it satisfying and/or are overly fearful. There are a few good ones, getting fewer all the time

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. Cops do turn a blind eye
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:19 PM
Dec 2019

Cops even call other cops that whistleblow "rats". Planting drugs may be rare but it happens. A lot of cops are authoritarian.

People Who Become Cops Tend to Have Authoritarian Personality Characteristics

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.alternet.org/2015/01/people-who-become-cops-tend-have-authoritarian-personality-characteristics/amp/

Archae

(46,262 posts)
3. I smell BS.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:02 PM
Dec 2019

"Lie Detectors" (polygraphs) are not allowed in criminal trials, due to their unreliability.

In fact, polygraphs are not "lie detectors" at all. They detect if someone is nervous or if the administrator is biased.
That's all.

False confessions do occur, the most notorious example being the "Central Park 5."

But I smell BS on this video.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. Police use lie detectors to screw with suspects.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:07 PM
Dec 2019

They know it is inadmissible but they use them anyway. Sometimes to rule out suspects like the Green River Killer who passed his lie detector.

Line from The Wire

Norris: You know what we use the polygraph for? Leverage. To get them in here and fuck with them.
Kima: No wonder this shit's inadmissible.

Before you say that is a show it was written by a former homicide detective & police beat reporter and the line by Ed Norris was spoken by Baltimore's former police Commissioner.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
6. The lie-detector results are not allowed. But statements based on results are allowed.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:12 PM
Dec 2019

That's what the court ruled: The lie-detector results are inadmissible as evidence, but the statements the defendant made IN RESPONSE to the results are admissible as evidence.

That's what the lawyer in the video above is criticizing: The statements made in response to the lie-detector results were admitted as evidence, while the fact that there had been a lie-detector test was not admitted as evidence.

safeinOhio

(32,531 posts)
15. In my divorce I took one
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:09 PM
Dec 2019

To prove I was being honest. I passed and cop wife refused to take it and admitted she was not being truthful. This was a civil case, but helps prove cops lie.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
17. Wrong. Cops use polygraphs to coerce confessions all the time.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:24 PM
Dec 2019

Sometimes the machines are fake. Google cops, confessions and polygraphs and you'll get all kinds of links.

https://www.njmoorelaw.com/10-ways-police-can-lie-to-you

Happy Hoosier

(7,081 posts)
7. I've had a number of friends who were cops.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:12 PM
Dec 2019

One thing they ALL told me is that if you are ever questioned by cops, get a lawyer. Generally speaking, if cops are talking to you, they are looking for inconsistencies. Inconsistencies make them suspicious, even if the inconsistency was perfectly innocent.

You might consider answering some basic facts questions initially, but if they ever want to "clear some things up," get a lawyer. NOW.

Opel_Justwax

(230 posts)
12. All you have to do is say you are not talking without an attorney present.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:53 PM
Dec 2019

Then if you charged you can have your day in court.

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