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Burr: "Every elected official in the Ukraine was for Hillary Clinton (Original Post) dajoki Dec 2019 OP
Is he trying to justify extortion? C_U_L8R Dec 2019 #1
Frankly, given the choice between Clinton and Trump Bettie Dec 2019 #2
Considering at least two things: Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2019 #3
If the meddling was for Clinton and there was so much of it why didn't she win??? Srkdqltr Dec 2019 #4
Because LTTE and Opinion pieces in newspapers are the same as direct meddling in our elections. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2019 #5
Just a bunch more of the both-siderism they KPN Dec 2019 #6
Yes... dajoki Dec 2019 #9
When Burr is asked for evidence of his claim . . . gratuitous Dec 2019 #7
Even if true, so? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #8
Even if true, "DUH!" -- Trump is a Russian stooge and Russia is Ukraine's enemy. Enemy as in RockRaven Dec 2019 #10

Bettie

(16,086 posts)
2. Frankly, given the choice between Clinton and Trump
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:53 AM
Dec 2019

every thinking person on the planet was for Clinton.

Yes, there are idiots everywhere, but FFS...

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
3. Considering at least two things:
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:57 AM
Dec 2019

1. Donald Trump's campaign manager was a man who was paid $12 million out of the billions that the hated, corrupt ex-president Yanukovych raided from the public treasury

and

2. Donald Trump had openly praised the man who had invaded Ukraine's borders and seized its territory, even at one point begging to be his "new best friend"


Is it any mystery why many Ukrainians would have preferred someone other than Donald Trump become the US President?

And since when does preferring one candidate over another constitute "interference"?

Srkdqltr

(6,267 posts)
4. If the meddling was for Clinton and there was so much of it why didn't she win???
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:57 AM
Dec 2019

Of course, if Trump won over all that he was the hero?

OAITW r.2.0

(24,446 posts)
5. Because LTTE and Opinion pieces in newspapers are the same as direct meddling in our elections.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:03 PM
Dec 2019

Can you blame Ukrainians to have a negative opinion of Trump, given what they knew about Trump's relationship with Putin?

KPN

(15,642 posts)
6. Just a bunch more of the both-siderism they
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:14 PM
Dec 2019

consistently push out there for the media to repeat — not to defend but to justify their actions. And most of the frigging media gives lip service to their phony baloney talking points — either ineptly or under the guise of fairness in reporting.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. When Burr is asked for evidence of his claim . . .
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:17 PM
Dec 2019

Burr dissembles, pouts, and demands to know if the interviewer has done an investigation. In other words, no, Burr doesn't have any evidence, he's just popping off to please an audience of one.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,402 posts)
8. Even if true, so?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:19 PM
Dec 2019

What did they *do* about it? We all know, however, who Russia wanted/didn't want and what they DID about it.

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
10. Even if true, "DUH!" -- Trump is a Russian stooge and Russia is Ukraine's enemy. Enemy as in
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:14 PM
Dec 2019

physical invasion, occupation of sovereign territory, shooting war, thousands killed. In that moment, that kind of enemy.

Why the FUCK would any Ukrainian who wants a sovereign and independent Ukraine support a Russian stooge to lead the one country most capable of assisting their national defense with funds and equipment?

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