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Jonathan Turley has just thoroughly embarrassed himself in the eyes of anyone with (Original Post) Atticus Dec 2019 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author madaboutharry Dec 2019 #1
It was humiliating. madaboutharry Dec 2019 #2
That was sad. GoCubsGo Dec 2019 #3
I used to respect him. Now he's a hack...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #4
I think your respect was misdirected and unearned. 11cents Dec 2019 #11
Well put RhodeIslandOne Dec 2019 #14
+1 grantcart Dec 2019 #17
And not for the first nor last time he will simply shrug off his "embarrassment" JHB Dec 2019 #23
omg, I'm starting to ... DISTRUST ... the character references from the M$M! Barr, Rosenstein, Kelly uponit7771 Dec 2019 #20
Ouch. I think you nailed it. nt crickets Dec 2019 #22
I agree. Catherine Vincent Dec 2019 #28
Yes. He's hardly the only one who's gone along with the standards Hortensis Dec 2019 #32
Turley has always True Blue American Dec 2019 #36
It's all about the money. Scruffy1 Dec 2019 #44
He has got to be compromised in some fashion or in desperate dewsgirl Dec 2019 #5
Nothing new. He's always been a clown. Nothing but a TV lawyer. 11cents Dec 2019 #12
Compared with the other scholars, he sounded like a lightweight. cry baby Dec 2019 #6
He saw it differently in '98. TheFourthMind Dec 2019 #7
Thanks so much. Very informative riversedge Dec 2019 #13
Why is Turley's dog mad? nuxvomica Dec 2019 #8
lol, I heard that and thought if his dog is mad he Turley should stop trying to kick him uponit7771 Dec 2019 #21
Even his dog is embarrassed by his weak arguments. George Washington University has the 4th best dem4decades Dec 2019 #25
Because the dog was in heat at140 Dec 2019 #31
I don't think he brought a butter knife. 3catwoman3 Dec 2019 #9
Had to look that up Kaleva Dec 2019 #35
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2019 #10
When you can't argue the facts argue the process Botany Dec 2019 #15
Seen on twitter about his dog. His argument is now, "If my dog has a fit, you must acquit" Dennis Donovan Dec 2019 #16
The Chew-sock-a defense! JHB Dec 2019 #24
He will need to change his undies during the break RainCaster Dec 2019 #18
I'm listening to him right now and cannot follow his tortured logic. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2019 #19
I heard some of his statements on my lunch break Catherine Vincent Dec 2019 #26
He brought a go-cart to a car show. dchill Dec 2019 #27
He's been a guest on Rachel's show before, right? NurseJackie Dec 2019 #29
He was a frequent guest on Countdown. One night he said horrible things about Sotomayor emulatorloo Dec 2019 #33
If my daughter or son was attending Turley's law classes at Greybnk48 Dec 2019 #30
You mean "Barr* is a friend of mine" Turley... Raster Dec 2019 #34
Yup! Thass da dude! nt Atticus Dec 2019 #37
He is not finding support from Fox News legal analysts Andy McCarthy and Andrew Napolitano Mr. Sparkle Dec 2019 #38
I was working on an important project, missed it..What did he say? Please let me know. Stuart G Dec 2019 #39
In a nutshell: no reason to impeach; this impeachment effort is too "rushed" and too narrow; Atticus Dec 2019 #40
Thank You Atticus and SamKnause. I appreciate the information. Stuart G Dec 2019 #48
The Dems are moving too fast. SamKnause Dec 2019 #43
He's a contrarian. cab67 Dec 2019 #41
Talk about damning with faint praise !!! OnDoutside Dec 2019 #47
I think he's destroying his esteemed reputation. I'm sure he'll never be on MSNBC again - Joy Reid.. George II Dec 2019 #42
To loyal Trumpsters, Turley crushed the opposition. keithbvadu2 Dec 2019 #45
What a douche! SCVDem Dec 2019 #46

Response to Atticus (Original post)

madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
2. It was humiliating.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:27 PM
Dec 2019

Can you imagine writing his argument on a law school exam? This would be the result: F

11cents

(1,777 posts)
11. I think your respect was misdirected and unearned.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:35 PM
Dec 2019

In 1998 Turley was a environmental lawyer with no background in either constitutional or criminal law who somehow got himself a nice berth on the gravy train during the Clinton impeachment -- as the requisite sad sad lifelong Democrat with the integrity to say that Clinton had to go. Now he's the sad sad life-long Democrat with the integrity to say that Trump has to stay. He's always been a fraud.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
23. And not for the first nor last time he will simply shrug off his "embarrassment"
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:04 PM
Dec 2019

Scare quotes because it's almost guaranteed that either he feels no embarrassment, or if there is a smidge, it's thoroughly salved by his tenured faculty position at a prestigious law school and money from media and speaking appearances.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
20. omg, I'm starting to ... DISTRUST ... the character references from the M$M! Barr, Rosenstein, Kelly
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:54 PM
Dec 2019

... were all "esteemed" folk by a majority in the M$M and have shown to be total asses including Turley.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Yes. He's hardly the only one who's gone along with the standards
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:36 PM
Dec 2019

and behaviors required to build a distinguished career and reputation, and then defaulted to their real self. Or whatever happened.

We're seeing a stream of people who'd gotten away with it for so long that they no doubt never thought the national spotlight would turn and reveal them so starkly for what they are.

And it's not like we should find it hard to believe any more that profoundly dishonorable people can rise to high position in honorable environments. We need much better evaluations. General Kelly's gratuitous, totally pointess slandering of that innocent black FL congresswoman gives a clue to how he rose over strong competition.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
36. Turley has always
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:51 PM
Dec 2019

Been a hack ever since I have watched him. He shot his wad today. I would not trust him as a dog catcher. Shameful performance.

Scruffy1

(3,255 posts)
44. It's all about the money.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:18 PM
Dec 2019

There is a fortune to be made by guest appearances, speaking fees, paid publications if you are a fascist hack. If you are liberal or progressive you will be poor. Chris Hayes has talked and written about this quite a bit..

11cents

(1,777 posts)
12. Nothing new. He's always been a clown. Nothing but a TV lawyer.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:36 PM
Dec 2019

He actually has no expertise at all in constitutional law.

cry baby

(6,682 posts)
6. Compared with the other scholars, he sounded like a lightweight.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:29 PM
Dec 2019

He’s a tv personality. Of course, the reality tv star president would choose a tv lawyer.

dem4decades

(11,282 posts)
25. Even his dog is embarrassed by his weak arguments. George Washington University has the 4th best
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:17 PM
Dec 2019

expert on this hearing.

Is their law school really that much less of a law school than North Carolina, Harvard and Stanford?


Judging by today's testimony GWU should be less than happy.

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
9. I don't think he brought a butter knife.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:34 PM
Dec 2019

He brought KY Jelly or Astro-glide to make it easier to suck up to Trump.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
15. When you can't argue the facts argue the process
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:45 PM
Dec 2019

Turley's Reader's Digest version of American History, Andrew Johnson, and
how the House Committees work on the impeachment of Donald Johnson
did not pass his test of being fair is just smoke and mirrors.

Turley is working for future Fox News pay days.

Catherine Vincent

(34,488 posts)
26. I heard some of his statements on my lunch break
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:23 PM
Dec 2019

From what I heard, it was ridiculous. I couldn't believe it.

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
33. He was a frequent guest on Countdown. One night he said horrible things about Sotomayor
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:42 PM
Dec 2019

when she was nominated for the Supreme Court. Basically that she was unqualified and unintelligent. Olbermann cut that bs off in a hurry. And thats the last time Keith had him on.

Greybnk48

(10,167 posts)
30. If my daughter or son was attending Turley's law classes at
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:30 PM
Dec 2019

George Washington University and we were paying top dollar to have a partisan hack like Turley teach them his incoherent, self-serving bullshit, I would yank them out of school at the end of this semester!

Stuart G

(38,416 posts)
39. I was working on an important project, missed it..What did he say? Please let me know.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:57 PM
Dec 2019

What did he say that was so stupid to get this response?

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
40. In a nutshell: no reason to impeach; this impeachment effort is too "rushed" and too narrow;
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:03 PM
Dec 2019

House should do a lot more investigation, but only as all allowed by the courts; if can't prove "crime" (as he defines the term), you can't impeach.

Much more to it, but that gives you the flavor.

Stuart G

(38,416 posts)
48. Thank You Atticus and SamKnause. I appreciate the information.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:53 PM
Dec 2019

Jonathan Turley has lost all my respect. Yes, there was some there, but there is none left. All Gone!!


.. Fu*k Him

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
43. The Dems are moving too fast.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:08 PM
Dec 2019

There is no evidence. (No mention that Trump is obstructing the Dems from obtaining evidence.)

Rambling sentences with facts omitted.

His interpretation of the Constitution finds Trump not guilty.

Giving his opinions not facts.

Thinks it should have to go through the courts. (He is best friends with Barr.)

Just a few of the things being said.

cab67

(2,992 posts)
41. He's a contrarian.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:03 PM
Dec 2019

I'm in Academia - I see his type all the time. He may be somewhat more principled than others, but in essence, he likes to take the opposite view from common wisdom.

As I said in a previous post, he's a more intelligent version of Alan Dershowitz.

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. I think he's destroying his esteemed reputation. I'm sure he'll never be on MSNBC again - Joy Reid..
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:03 PM
Dec 2019

...one of his more frequent hosts, is bashing him on twitter:

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
45. To loyal Trumpsters, Turley crushed the opposition.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:24 PM
Dec 2019

To loyal Trumpsters, Turley crushed the opposition.

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