****Live Impeachment hearing - THREAD 4****

[BumRushDaShow]

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:37 PM - Edit history (1)

LIVEBLOG - https://www.wonkette.com/is-impeach-even-in-constitution-house-judiciary-impeachment-liveblog-day-one

[BumRushDaShow]

1. House Judiciary Committee currently in reccess for House votes. Will resume when done.

[BumRushDaShow]

2. House doing a series of votes on Anti-Insider Trading legislation while Judiciary in recess

[DURHAM D]

3. Is "irregardless" trending?

It should be.

[fleur-de-lisa]

4. I don't know if it's trending, but I have seen many mentions of it on other social media outlets.

[BumRushDaShow]

5. LOL

[IcyPeas]

6. just put on right wing radio

victoria toensing (sp) was ranting away about jonathan turley. I couldn't continue listening but it's sickening how they all get the same talking points. can they really believe what they are espousing?

[BumRushDaShow]

7. It's ironic that they have chosen to embrace someone they always considered "libruuulllll"

[IcyPeas]

8. yes she mentioned how he voted for B. Clinton and

he didn't even vote for trump therefore: he must be telling the truth, right? oi are they just willfully blind to the facts?

[BumRushDaShow]

10. I would speculate

that he may have been the only one foolish enough to be willing to show up on their behalf. Which means even someone like Dershowitz didn't take the bait and bother (and Dershowitz does bill himself as a Constitutional scholar)!

[dweller]

9. will there be more hearings tomorrow?

i recall Nadler saying "in a few days"

tia

✌🏼

[BumRushDaShow]

11. I haven't seen any others scheduled for this week at least yet

They may end up doing something next week.

Link to the committee schedule - https://judiciary.house.gov/committee-activity/weekly-schedules

[IcyPeas]

13. watching the cnn panel jake tapper just showed a clip from 25 years ago

of turley at the clinton impeachment. i love when they do this. hypocrites right on camera.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. ...

(Turley is around my age too)

[BumRushDaShow]

12. CSPAN3 reporting they are expected to resume at 2:30 pm ET

[crickets]

15. Wonkette is liveblogging again today

The operative description is 'irreverent.'

https://www.wonkette.com/is-impeach-even-in-constitution-house-judiciary-impeachment-liveblog-day-one

10:52: After another stupid distraction move from Republicans, the next witness, Pamela Karlan, gives her opening statement. She begins by telling Doug Collins he is an insulting fucking idiot, because he implied that these witnesses didn't even read the facts of this case. She read EVERY TESTIMONY, you shitmouthed redneck, and wow, this lady is fire! [snip]

11:41: Interesting testimony from Karlan about how insanely concerned framers were with foreign influence. It's not just this impeachment hullabaloo and Trump soliciting foreign interference in his re-election. They put the Emoluments clause in there to keep presidents from being influenced by foreign gifts. They put the "president has to be a natural-born citizen" thing in there, because they were specifically concerned about the president being susceptible to foreign influence.

(Shoulda put a "President Should Not Be Russian Asset" clause in there, but we guess that falls under the high crimes and misdemeanors they couldn't have imagined.)

11:47:

LOL:

Here’s Turley in 1998. Impeaching Clinton for a blowjob was necessary to fend off “anarchy." https://t.co/wQeICAYPFi

— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) 1575477586.0

Wonkette is a hoot.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Thanks!

Will add to the OP!

[Mersky]

22. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

17. Witnesses have returned to the hearing room

[nolabear]

18. Those signs are so disgusting. It shows what bullies they are proud to be.

[Karma13612]

46. It's unbecoming of the institution

Of the Congress.

The repukes are shameless, classless and criminal.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. Nadler gavelling into session

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Jerrold Sesenbrenner (R-WI) up - 5 minute questions

[dweller]

27. there's a ? there ?

not hearing it ...

✌🏼

[BumRushDaShow]

29. He was trying to outdo Zoe Lofgren

[malaise]

21. PHEW - I'm here for the afternoon session

[crickets]

23. Sensenbrenner: I have had the most impeachment experience EVAR!

Yikes, mute button alert for the man who will not clear the frog out of his throat, never mind what he's blathering on about. Oh, it's Biden.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. Simplebrenner is going on about Biden

[Politicub]

25. I hope the democrats were watching CNN because its panel was

doing an excellent job of calling Turley’s objectivity into question.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

26. Son of a bleep !

[ancianita]

28. Senselessbrenner pontificating on high crimes and misdemeanors now saying there's no

evidence for any of this from the Trump/Zelensky call, invoking Biden's quid quo pro as an impeachable offense.

This guy's false equivalence, along with trivializing THIS impeachment, is moronic.

He tries to get pretzel logic agreement from Turkey.

[uponit7771]

36. +1, got that too but then Turley wants to comment on the "server" vs Biden. I think that's part of

... their defense is to focus on the server and act like Trump never said Biden or that Biden hid the server and hacked Clinton himself or some shit.

They just gonna make it up as they go along

[BumRushDaShow]

30. He's done. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) up

[The_Counsel]

31. No, Sensinbrenner: It Seems ALL FOUR Legal Minds on the Panel Has Been Made Up!

But nice try, asshole.

[catbyte]

32. Sensenbrenner can kiss my Indian ass.

Turley, too.

[BuffaloJackalope]

33. Sensenbrenner running the Russian-made "Ukraine is the victim of corrupt Biden" conspiracy

[elleng]

34. Love to SEE and HEAR Sheila Jackson Lee.

[Hav]

35. It's unreal that they are still going on about Biden

Biden did everything in the open as a representative of the US, not for his personal gain. He did what the US and the western countries wanted.
Is Turley an idiot as well? Surely he should know better about this topic.

[BumRushDaShow]

37. Sheila holding up 2 huge binders of the Mueller report to show that the evidence is not "wafer thin"

Asked the question to Karlan to describe this.

[crickets]

44. +1

Blunt but effective. Her questions are getting right to the point about what Trump has done, why it is wrong regardless of his lack of success, and just how damaging it is to involve foreign powers in elections.

[backtoblue]

38. Oooh SNAP

Your son is named Barron, but the president cannot *make* him a barron.

[malaise]

39. While he can name his son Baron

he can't make him a baron KABOOM!

[BumRushDaShow]

40. Karlan - although the President can name his son "Barron" he can't make him one

(as the answer to the difference between a "king' and a "President".)

[brooklynite]

41. "While the President can name his son Barron, he can't MAKE him a Baron" -- Sheila Jackson-Lee

[brooklynite]

42. Sheila Jackson-Lee doing a kickass imitation of Barbara Jordan...

[Bayard]

43. Prof. Karlan is a card!

tRump can name his son Baron, but he can't make him a Baron.

[BumRushDaShow]

45. Question to Feldman to clarify "attempting" to do something vs "fulfilling it"

when it comes to crimes. There is no distinction.

[BumRushDaShow]

47. Steve Chabot (R-OH) up.

[nolabear]

49. Schiff Biden Unfair Illegitimate It's not is it's you.

[backtoblue]

51. Attacking Nadler, should stfu

[Laura PourMeADrink]

48. Someone should counter that argument about

Us always hating trump since day 1. Trump has committed attrocities since day 1.

[elleng]

53. Yes

[Mersky]

72. +1

We don't hate him for merely existing. It's his actions, abuses, waste, and tweeting that elicit righteous ire.

Somedays I just cannot believe someone has so much energy to be so interruptive and hostile to so many people.

[crickets]

50. Chabot - Using a partisan stance to accuse others of partisanship. Oh, stop.

Will someone please ask a Republican in this hearing, right now, to choose country over party? Never mind, we are seeing and hearing their choice. Notice this man has no questions, just bluster. It's sickening.

[BumRushDaShow]

57. Exactly. He is whining

And then doubling down to say that the Senate is not going to convict. Because. GOP partisanship.

[crickets]

62. The hypocrisy level is sky high. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

52. Chabot hasn't asked a question - he is just quoting Nadler's past comments

[Mossfern]

55. ...and

he's comparing a blow job with treason.
Still no questions.

[ChubbyStar]

56. Blabity blabity blabity

Does he turn into a toad soon?

[crickets]

60. And threatening with failure to convict in the Senate.

Also, somebody needs to point out the number of bills written and passed in the House (didn't they just vote on one?) that now languish in the Senate unaddressed, because Mitch McConnell won't bring them up for a vote. THAT is where things are not getting done.

[BumRushDaShow]

64. Exactly. The last count I heard was that Turtle was sitting on 400 House bills.

[madaboutharry]

54. They have nothing to say.

All they have left is the whining.

[BumRushDaShow]

58. Steve Cohen (D-TN) up.

[crickets]

68. Used answer from another witness in real time to nail Turley on

definition of high crimes and misdemeanors. Boom.

[BumRushDaShow]

71. Yup.

[The_Counsel]

59. Is There a Question ANYWHERE in Our Future???

[BumRushDaShow]

65. Only from the D side

The R "witness" was previously labeled a "libruullll".

Cohen is taking on Turley too.

[BumRushDaShow]

61. Cohen asking Feldman to define "high crimes and misdemeanors"

[Wednesdays]

63. Roflol!

CNN showed split screen... while Chabot was droning on, Nadler was fighting to keep from nodding off.

Bet that reflects the whole country's take on Chabot!

[BumRushDaShow]

66. Cohen ends by waving around his pocket Constitution

[crickets]

73. +1

That was so satisfying.

[backtoblue]

67. Gohmert up

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Loopy Goatmert (R-TX) is up

[elleng]

70. mute gohmert

[Mossfern]

74. Weren't there fact witnnesses in the intelligence committe

The witnesses seemed to be able to read the report...

[BuffaloJackalope]

75. Swear to God - if I listen to Gohmert for 5 min my IQ will drop 30pts

[crickets]

77. Thank you, I needed that laugh.

It's so true. The mute button is everybody's best friend right now.

[The_Counsel]

76. Uh, Mr. Gohmert, You Know Damn Well You Would Not Have Read the Report from Intelligence...

...even if you had three weeks to read it. Something about your aversion to facts that would keep that from happening.

[gademocrat7]

78. Mute alert!

Gohmet blabbering

[BumRushDaShow]

79. Goatmert is just rambling about nonsense

[cannabis_flower]

81. Like he always does!

[BumRushDaShow]

82. He no longer has the crazy hat that has been worn by Gymsuit and CrazyGraetz

[BumRushDaShow]

80. Hank Johnson (D-GA) up

[crickets]

86. Great how he got Feldman to underline how Trump used the power of his office

to compel something from Zelensky. That emphasizes his abuse of the power of his office *as president* - not just as DJT the individual.

[Mersky]

83. Doesn't matter how much gohmert inflects 'wafer thin'

It doesn't make it true.

And just because he abuses the definition of hearsay, cannot not remove the verifiable usefulness and credibility of the fact witnesses that have appeared.

___
Useless for the purposes of protecting the interests of the nation, gohmert delivered his talking points with mostly downcast eyes in reading his prepared remarks.

[BumRushDaShow]

84. Johnson having Feldman clarify "favors" -where this was for a "personal" benefit vs the U.S. benefit

[BumRushDaShow]

85. Johnson - impeachment not an "impulse buy moment"

[IcyPeas]

87. ugh! time to lower the volume (gym jordan)

[BumRushDaShow]

88. MUTE ALERT - GYMSUIT JORDAN UP

[IcyPeas]

90. i don't mute him - i want to hear his garbage

but i do lower my volume

[BumRushDaShow]

95. i just post the warning

my remote is on the other side of the table.

[crickets]

96. His first comment is used to call Democrats "them"...

Pretty much tells us this is all about party lines, yet the Republican stance is that this is a Democratic witch hunt. Now he's just gonna shout for five minutes.

[PA Democrat]

99. You aren't missing anything. He hasn't stopped yapping to ask a single question.

He is like that annoying dog that won't stop barking in the middles of the night.

[BumRushDaShow]

104. I haven't touched my remote

have been too busy typing.

[dweller]

89. jacket off jordo

kill me now 😑

✌🏼

[Gidney N Cloyd]

91. Here comes Mr. Jordan. It's cold in that room-- no coat-- think he's getting nipples?

[backtoblue]

92. Not fair, no fair, schiff, whistleblower gymshorts jordan.

[BumRushDaShow]

93. Back to the whistblower bullshit whine whine

[ChubbyStar]

100. He needs to go lick a shower

[Raftergirl]

94. I'm just

running the vacuum when the R’s are up. Saves batteries in remote and gets my house clean. Win Win.

[Pacifist Patriot]

130. Smart!

[madaboutharry]

97. Oy Vey.

When will Jordan stop lying?

He is so predictable and tiresome.

[IcyPeas]

98. i bet when gym jordan was in school...

he was the type to Highlight every sentence in yellow highlighter. making nothing really stand out.

[underpants]

105. LOL

[Mossfern]

101. This is the first time

I've put my tv on mute - just can't listen to Jim Jordan any more. He needs to tone down the volume - being loud doesn't make you right.

[The_Counsel]

102. It Really Is Too Bad Schiff Isn't Chairing This Committee.

I'm thinking when his turn came he would slice every GOP "argument" heard today to shreds.

Hoping Nadler is up to the task....

[BumRushDaShow]

103. He's done. Ted Deutch (D-FL) up

[crickets]

109. Finally, someone underlining how this is not about personal benefit

but about putting country first, and how every govt official takes an oath to put national interests first. YES.

[Hav]

106. It just gets worse with the Rs

Sensenbrenner, Gohmert and now Gym Jordan. When you think it reached the lowest point, they manage to lower the bar yet again.

[Sancho]

107. I really hate Jordan and Gomez...

[Mersky]

108. Gym's so backwards, he can't even recognize forwards anymore

Shrieking loon with zero moral credibility to hold his gerrymandered district, let alone argue anything about the matter at hand.

He’s all antics and maneuvers. Am just stating what we already know. Am so tired of him.

[The_Counsel]

110. And AGAIN: If the Facts Were Really on the President's Side...

...he'd provide all the documents/witnesses necessary to prove his innocence, que no?

[bagimin]

111. Mr. Deutch

my Representative.

[ffr]

112. Neal Katya: If a lawyer did this, they may face disciplinary action for misleading

Link to tweet

This is what Republicans flashed on screen. If a lawyer did this, they may face disciplinary action for such a misleading representation of what a source said.


Compare what they said my book said w/what I actually said.

[BumRushDaShow]

117. I figured Katyal would jump on how they mischaracterized what he wrote

[BumRushDaShow]

113. Deutch having Karlan show how this is different from "policy differences"

and she goes on to note that he had never been anything other than a "reality tv show" participant so may not have understood how his actions would be considered against the interest of the U.S.

[ChubbyStar]

114. OH Holy Night, "Maybe when he was a game show reality host"

What a fucking smack down!

[MerryBlooms]

118. !

[BumRushDaShow]

115. Deutch done. Ken Buck (R-CO) up

Amazingly Buck has decided to ask Turley a question.

[Mossfern]

116. Really

Amorphous?

Buck....no example of asking another country.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

128. Good point.

[nolabear]

119. Glad to hear it brought up that this "democratically elected president"

abused the very voters who elected him. He didn’t abuse us. We knew who he was. He abused the office and we’re horrified. But those who voted for him? I’m betting they didn’t vote for this. By now a lot are so deep in the shit they can’t turn around. But they’re being horribly abused.

[Mossfern]

120. Impeach them all!

Go back 200 years and impeach them.

[BumRushDaShow]

121. Buck is now bringing up "dirt" on Kennedy and Johnson and Obama to have Turley respond

for "abuse of power".

And the fool is now bringing up Abraham Lincoln for "abuse of power" that could be impeachable, the suddenly new GOP "gawd".

[Gidney N Cloyd]

122. How was Obama making recess appointments an "abuse of power"?

[elleng]

124. NOT, but turkey can't bring himself to say it.

[The_Counsel]

129. I Know, Right...? I mean...It's IN THE FLIPPIN' CONSTITUTION!

The President has the right to make recess appointments when the Senate isn't in session.

It's the reason why the Senate has ALWAYS been in session since Obama took office. Coincidence?

[Gidney N Cloyd]

132. Without my going back to look up the event...

...I assume Obama, because of all that stonewalling, was testing the whether the Senate was really in a state of being in session so it would get tossed to the SC. Buck sounds like Obama was caught pulling a fast one.

[Zorro]

123. Benghazi!

[Mossfern]

125. They impeached Clinton

Why didn't he bring that up

[elleng]

127. fergot!

[BumRushDaShow]

126. ****Live Impeachment hearing - THREAD 5**** up

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212751424

[Mersky]

131. As Deutch spoke about tyranny

Was struck how we’re witnessing the effects of tyranny. Fearful republicans are willing to go along with anything. They’re (willing) victims of tyranny. I almost feel sorry for some of them.

[ancianita]

133. Go, Hakeem! Go Karlan! The oldest democracy is only being saved by the House!

Foreign governments are a worse threat today than in the Founders' day.

AND we've GOT the EVIDENCE of suborning that: the transcript, two fact witnesses testimony under oath, admission by both the president himself.

And the will of The People WILL prevail.

"America must remain the last, best hope on Earth."