The Professor said nothing about Barron Trump

[malaise]

She merely stated a fact - his father could name him Barron but could not make him a baron because the President is not a fucking king.

Don't let them play victim - tear down this bullshit.

[backtoblue]

1. K&R!

Barron name was used in a literal analogy. F87ck malaria

[BuffaloJackalope]

3. Bet you $50 she didn't write that

[spooky3]

4. That was my first thought. Nt

[gademocrat7]

9. You are right.

She didn’t.

[George II]

49. I responded to that tweet from "Melania", and pointed that out. She didn't write that at all.

[woodsprite]

106. Gaetz probably wrote it. nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

109. My money's on Stephanie Grisham.

[Zoonart]

2. Total bullshit from the creeps

That have ruined the lives of thousands if innocent children...ripping them from their families...putting them in cages.

You bastards don't get to play martyrs.

[lunatica]

26. This!

[gratuitous]

5. Proof positive that today's session was damaging

If that's all they got. And it is.

[AncientGeezer]

6. She actually did.....that's a fact. She was right...but she did say it.

“While the president can name his son Barron, he can’t make him a baron,”

"malaise
0. The Professor said nothing about Barron Trump"

[Atticus]

11. That was "about" Donald, not Barron. nt

[AncientGeezer]

15. The part where she says Barron isn't Barron? That's your play?

Honestly? Hmmm

[lunatica]

28. She said absolutely nothing about Barron

She said Trump named him. Facts are facts.

[AncientGeezer]

33. Then why did she just apologize for the comment?

Facts are facts.....right

[lunatica]

37. Please refer to post #35

[AncientGeezer]

58. You should refer to the statement from Prof. Karlan

"I want to apologize for what I said earlier about the president's son. It was wrong of me to do that. I wish the president would apologize, obviously, for the things that he's done that's wrong, but I do regret having said that,"
Admission she was talking about the kid.

[meadowlander]

118. She was hoping we could all just move on?

Because it's not really a relevant or important part of what she was saying.

[karynnj]

48. Barron is NOT a Baron.

It was a witty comment that backfired, but what it meant was Trump is not a King - thus he can not make anyone a Baron or a Duke for that matter.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

38. Exactly. The professor could have use the same analogy even if Barron Trump didn't exist.

She could have said 'The president could name his son Duke but can't make him a Duke.'
Using Barron's name was handy but it disclosed or drew nothing from the actual person. Melania (or whoever actually tweeted on her behalf) has nothing to complain about.

[AncientGeezer]

47. Why did the Professor apologize then?

[karynnj]

51. Because she is a decent person

Obviously, she wants to defuse their fake anger.

[AncientGeezer]

53. Exactly....you don't call out kids for the sins of the parent

[karynnj]

57. She did not "call out" Barron - she simply made an ill advised statement playing on his name

which is sounds identical to a royal title.

[AncientGeezer]

60. She apologized....for just that....do I have to quote it again?

[karynnj]

61. She apologized for "calling him out"? Not what I heard. She apologized for mentioning him.

BIG DIFFERENCE

[AncientGeezer]

64. Difference with no distinction....please proceed.

[karynnj]

94. I strongly disagree and can not understand why you do not see a difference.

She made an ill advised comment essentially saying that Trump is not king. Obviously she should simply have said that rather than trying to a snarky comment that he could not give someone a royal title. The comment says nothing good, bad or indifferent about the kid.

Contrast that to the meaning of calling out which would be criticizing him in some way.

[AncientGeezer]

68. She did..and apologized for it..that's a fact

[LanternWaste]

112. Then please, by all means and with specificity and relevance...

tell us how her reference is a pejorative... 'cause I see nothing more from her statement than a victimless reference and play on words regarding what the idiot Trump can and cannot do, but zero editorial on the son.

Please, proceed...

("she apologized for it" is a response rather than an answer... but if you are only able respond and are unable to answer the question, well.. I get it and expect as much)

[Dorian Gray]

98. How did she call out Barron for his parent's sins?

She said "You can name him Barron but can't make him a Baron." That says absolutely nothing about his personality, his life, his choices.... anything.

It an implied criticism of the president, not of the child.

She apologized for bringing mentioning his name. Because she got a reaction and it's being used for feigned outrage, it was poorly thought through. Getting a "zinger" in about Trump's son's name and Trump's obvious aspirations wasn't worth it.

But, it wasn't calling the son out. Not even close.

[UpInArms]

108. Here is what an attack on a child looks like

Flashback 1992: Rush Limbaugh Calls Chelsea Clinton, Age 12, the ‘White House Dog’

Here is hope for the tens of people who are worried about the future of Liz Lauten, who was fired as communications director for tea party congressman Stephen Fincher of Tennessee yesterday because of a rant she posted on Facebook in which she called Pres. Obama’s daughters, Sasha, age 16, and Malia, age 13, classless sluts.

Based on Rush Limbaugh’s experience insulting daughters of Democratic presidents, Lauten, a former Republican National Committee employee and press secretary for former Rep. Joe Walsh, the infamous deadbeat dad from Illinois, is sitting pretty. Limbaugh has accumulated a net worth of $400 million, reportedly, even though (or perhaps because) he has a history of insulting the appearance of the daughters of Democratic presidents.

On Nov. 6, 1992, just days after Bill Clinton was elected president, Limbaugh, then 41, called Clinton’s 12-year-old daughter Chelsea “the White House dog.” (Some source say Chelsea was 13 at the time of Limbaugh’s insult but she was born on Feb. 27, 1980.) In 1988, eight years after the Carter administration, Limbaugh called Pres. Carter’s daughter Amy, then age 21, “the most unattractive presidential daughter in the history of the country.” Later he quipped that when he made that sweeping statement, he’d forgotten about Pres. Harry Truman’s daughter Margaret.

[LanternWaste]

110. Pressure from media and politicians pretending its something other than what it is

(my speculation as to why being no more nor less valid than your implicit speculation as to why)

[Turbineguy]

67. He wanted to name the kid

Duke of Earl.

[pnwmom]

79. How do you know she didn't say, " While the president can name his son Baron, he can't make

him a baron?

Did she spell it out so you would know?

[USALiberal]

119. This isn't going well for you! Nt

[50 Shades Of Blue]

7. Yup! It's not like his son's name is a secret or that it has a certain meaning!

[Atticus]

8. As mentioned elsewhere, we'd take her concern about "using" children a little more seriously

if she had been at all critical of her monster husband kidnapping kids and keeping them in cages.

[malaise]

13. And she visited the cages with her I don't care coat

Fuck them all

[Dorian Gray]

99. THIS

[MyOwnPeace]

89. THIS, right here!!!!!!!

THIS is the most salient comment in this whole post!

FORGET about who said what, who wrote what, or what they meant.

SHOW ME what you've done.

And for those kids taken from their families, NOBODY in the TRUMP MONARCHY has done SHIT for them!

THAT is what counts!

THAT is what matters!

THAT is why he must go (well, yeah, we know, there are actually many, many, many more reasons!).

[targetpractice]

10. I do wish she hadn't done that. I winced...

... It wasn't bad, but I realized that would be turned into a huge thing.

[AncientGeezer]

16. Yep.....exactly

[OKNancy]

17. same here

[malaise]

18. Now she regrets saying it

Why - it is a fact - he cannot make his son a Baron

[Dorian Gray]

100. She regrets saying it

because mentioning Barron's name has become a total distraction that Republicans are seizing on to discredit everything else she says. They're saying she's so partisan she's bringing the President's child into this.

Which is ridiculous, but... that's where we are right now.

[malaise]

103. They need a distraction

He will still be impeached

[Dorian Gray]

105. definitely.....

[PA Democrat]

12. Hey Melania, tell that con man you married to RESIGN

and then there will be no risk that your son's name will be mentioned in passing in future proceedings.

[bdamomma]

124. His

Barbie daughter Ivanka should tell him to resign.

[madaboutharry]

14. The comment released by Melania was written by Stephanie Grisham.

The republicans are drama queens and love to ratchet up the outrage.

That is why I thought Prof. Karlan made a mistake. Not because what she said was terrible but because it handed republicans something to faint over.

[AncientGeezer]

19. The Professor just apologized for what she said about the kid...

Admission she said it right??

That's going to be looped on Fox for a week

[malaise]

21. She said absolutely nothing derogatory about Baron Trump

She said his father could not make him a Baron. That is a fact. He is not a king.

[cwydro]

24. "Derogatory" being the key word.

If you edit your OP to reflect that, then it’ll be true.

Otherwise, it’s not true. She DID say something about Barron. (Two Rs in his name, but only one in the actual title fyi)>

[AncientGeezer]

25. Why apologize then.....as she just did?

She's a Law professor....I know why she did.
You don't cheap shot kids for the idiocy of their parent/s

[malaise]

32. There was no shot at the kid

You can name a child in the US prince but it has no meaning or guarantee of entitlement

[lunatica]

35. You should give your feigned outrage a break.

Your argument is not anywhere near what happened.

Some people apologize for saying something some people deliberately misconstrue. That doesn’t mean what she said is offensive.

[Owl]

41. Exactly

[AncientGeezer]

42. As I said before...That's your play? The Professor apologized...

You do not apologize if you did nothing wrong... I will quote Prof. Karlan..

"I want to apologize for what I said earlier about the president's son. It was wrong of me to do that. I wish the president would apologize, obviously, for the things that he's done that's wrong, but I do regret having said that,"

Admission it was about the kid....

[lunatica]

43. Who said it wasn't about the boy?

Jesus!

[AncientGeezer]

44. Malaise said it..you said it

malaise (199,011 posts)

The Professor said nothing about Barron Trump

lunatica (45,119 posts)
28. She said absolutely nothing about Barron

She said Trump named him. Facts are facts.

Prof. Karlan disagrees with you 2....through her apology

[lunatica]

45. Give it up.

Sigh

[AncientGeezer]

46. Not going to happen....kids are off limits....and Prof. Karlan seems to agree

..through her apology...which I've posted.. and you have read.

[lunatica]

50. So I'm sure you think you win just because what?

You got the last word?

Go for it.

[AncientGeezer]

62. There is no "win".....there are facts.

Those facts just happen to fall opposite your claims....
"I want to apologize for what I said earlier about the president's son. It was wrong of me to do that."...

[jcgoldie]

87. Repeating the same fox news nonsense 20 times in the same thread does not make it a "fact"

The statement had nothing to do with that kid and everything to do with Donald Trump's abuse of power.

[NYC Liberal]

59. "You do not apologize if you did nothing wrong"

Of course you do. People do it all the time for lots of reasons.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

71. +1 Beat me to it.

[AncientGeezer]

72. She apologized for calling out the kid...that's a reason.

I agree....don't call out kids ever......In an impeachment hearing more so.
Had that happened during the Clinton Impeachment...and this forum existed....
A witness calling out Chelsea.............this joint would have gone absolutely bat shit crazy.

[jcgoldie]

90. They wanted this to be the headline and you are taking the bait

Spit out the hook.

[NYC Liberal]

92. She didn't "call out" anyone except Donald Trump.

And people would be dead wrong to go bat shit crazy over the exact same thing happening with anyone else.

[Dorian Gray]

104. "Calling out"

WTF does that mean?

She mentioned his name in an ill advised joke/comment on the president's desire to abuse his power as president.

She didn't "call out" Barron's behavior or character or actions. She didn't say Barron was acting entitled like royalty. She said that the president couldn't make him royalty.

She used his name (ill-advised because of the fall out), but she didn't disparage him in any way.

[Dorian Gray]

102. I say sorry about 200 times a day

even when someone else bumps into me. Because.... Yeah... I'm working on it in therapy!

[robbob]

113. Come to Canada!

Where apologizing is a national pastime! 🇨🇦

[Dorian Gray]

122. Haha...

I'm quite comfortable when I travel up to Canada.

[Atticus]

55. If you are so concerned about remarks being used on FOX, maybe you should not be

labelling an innocent and totally inoffensive mention of a child's name a "cheap shot".

Further, it is not unheard of for a person to "apologize" simply to calm someone who has taken a remark out of context and refuses to listen to reasonable explanations.

By the way, I am sorry you are upset.

[AncientGeezer]

66. If that get's you through the day.....run with it.

[Atticus]

77. Thank you. nt

[Dorian Gray]

101. You keep saying cheap shot.

Can you explain what the actual cheap shot was? What was offensive about what she said?

[lame54]

20. Bad move - they don't care...

They got a collective woody when they heard that

[FiveGoodMen]

52. Guess we should let them define everything we can and can't say

[lame54]

54. Or...

Just be more careful of what red meat we are willing to hand them

[FiveGoodMen]

56. Not really.

As soon as they know that will stop us, EVERYTHING will be red meat to them.

We won't be able to make any points at all.

The public will think the GOP is right because they say what they want and we duck and cover.

[malaise]

65. Ding ding we have a winner

[Farmer-Rick]

22. Oh, she's just upset because everyone made fun of her parakeet yellow and purple Batman cape.

She'll get over it a soon as she gets more work doing another nude spread. Get back to her real life's work. Dressing is just not her forte. So, she lashes out with made up victimhood.

I really don't care. Do U?

[samnsara]

29. who he hell dresses her??? maybe she doesnt have a full length mirror..

....and she gets dressed in the dark with her eyes closed. OR...shes color blind and her handmaid is secretly part of The Resistance
"you look mahvalous dahling.."

[Farmer-Rick]

36. I know, it's like she never learned to dress appropriately.

Where are all the black dresses she wore to nightclubs while high as a kite with Dumpy. She needs to get in touch with a normal color scheme.

[HipChick]

74. Give her some dues, at least she learnt to actually have clothes on..

[ornotna]

93. Eventually n/t

[malaise]

34. I don't give a shit

[brooklynite]

23. She seems to think she did

Link to tweet

[Farmer-Rick]

39. Or is the kind professor trying to direct attention back to the criminal

Who the nude first lady married? And is willing to apologizes to the stupid to do that.

[samnsara]

27. the second she said it i knew there would be a brouhaha

[Afromania]

30. Do these motherfuckers remember how they savaged Chelsea?

I'm not saying anybody should talk about anybodies kids but what the prof said is saying zero things derogatory about that kid. Meanwhile I distinctly remember the republicans calling Chelsea a dog.

So fuck them and fuck their talking point on this. They have no legs to stand on when, again, nothing derogatory was said about Barron (oops, I said his name. guess I'm talking shit about him or something now)

[Gothmog]

31. the trumpsters are all idiots to be offended by this

[lunatica]

40. Which answers the question of what they are

[Hortensis]

73. It was unseemly and usable: PBS USED it against Dems.

And no doubt Fox and all the others are making the most of it. On PBS baron-Barron was the only honest hit in a program full of dishonest anti-Democratic coverage.

PBS's blatantly biased segment indicates just how important this issue is to the RW powers PBS now serves. Including the takeaway that both sides were fighting and insulting (this bit used to "prove" that we were, nothing for the Pubs) and that the Democrats have not made the case for impeachment. Both experts sabotaged our case and failed to accurately describe the Republicans. None of the inspiring explanations of our founders' intent or illegality of Trump's actions, just that facts were disputed, Dems were still trying and failing to establish, and... baron-Barron.

McConnell also allowed 3 carefully chosen congressional bills to be passed today and provided them to PBS in an obvious plan to divert away from the hearing something good the Republicans were involved in.

1. Something for elderly people. Ah, taking care of old people.
2. Streamlining citizenship for children of vets. Ah, children!
3. An anti-robocall bill. Robocalls!

I asked my husband, who still watches this show that disgusts me, if he remembered PBS ever covering the passage of congressional bills from the current day (because some are passed all the time), and he said he didn't remember them ever doing it.

Grrrr!

[AncientGeezer]

75. Then why did the Professor apologize....

“While the president can name his son Barron, he can’t make him a baron,”
"I want to apologize for what I said earlier about the president's son. It was wrong of me to do that. I wish the president would apologize, obviously, for the things that he's done that's wrong, but I do regret having said that,"

[Judi Lynn]

125. If she had not apologized they would have never stopped screeching. It was a formality.

Some people don't seem to be able to grasp simple situations well at ALL, if you know what I mean.

[Collimator]

63. Of all the struggles and burdens facing. . .

young Barron Trump in his journey through life, this one comment will not be among them.

[onecaliberal]

69. When they care about locking children up in cages I might give a fuck about Barron.

I’m so done with these people.

[onecaliberal]

84. Nice republican talking point. Spare me the false narrative that Obama did it too.

Obama NEVER ripped nursing infants from their mother to inflict terror and misery. I’m done responding to you.

[rzemanfl]

85. Bookmarking. n/t

[Mersky]

70. Thank you! It was nothing personal against Baron.

And not unreasonable, considering nepotism is s.o.p. with tRump.

[AncientGeezer]

80. The Professor said it was about the kid in her apology....

"I want to apologize for what I said earlier about the president's son. It was wrong of me to do that. I wish the president would apologize, obviously, for the things that he's done that's wrong, but I do regret having said that,"

[Mersky]

86. That was nice and demurring of her, but!

In apologizing, she gave credence to the twist of logic it took to take her sentiment from being about bestowing a regal title vs. one in name only to actually making fun of the kid. It's because he doesn't have choice of his name, that the joking about it falls at the parents - very specifically the tRumps. It's about how power is passed down through birth instead of elections. To make her point perfect, it would have been better if his daughter and son-in-law were named Princess and/or Duke. The joke evoked this for me, and Baron's visage/person didn't much cross my mind.

It was a quip that I enjoyed in the moment, as it was sharp and layered, but not directed at the the kid. But now, rw media will glom onto both clips and still misinterpret her point. All this because of the hyperventilation over the use of the name, Baron, and because flotus tweeted about it.

I'm not apologizing, as it wasn't directly at the cost of his youngest son. In hindsight, I do wish she had resisted that phrase, because of the blunted interpretation and backlash it predictably could receive.

[malaise]

97. Great post

[UTUSN]

76. K&R

[UTUSN]

78. That's all they got!1

[Mersky]

91. LOL

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2019, 10:48 PM - Edit history (1)

Yeah, if that’s their only *defense* they’re screwed.

[Sugar Smack]

81. I know what you mean: nothing insulting about Barron.

Seriously!! The kid wasn't targeted in ANY way, except she used the meaning of his name to make a point.. Not only that, she was RIGHT. And so are you-- the President is not a fucking king. And whoever wants to get all freaked out about it is wasting their energy for the bigger battles.

[Takket]

82. i know this is pissing me off............

The comment was an insult on the president for believing himself to be above the law and hence wanting to "make his son a baron". It wasn't an attack on Barron at all. and yet this was on the news and the #1 trend on twitter and i guess all liberals are evil AGAIN because literally ONE PERSON mentioned a name!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just give up........

i'm just so exhausted............ between the gop and the media we just can't ever keep up..........

[Owl]

88. Exactly!

K&R!

[Joinfortmill]

95. Wow

I just left another site where folks thought this was ok. Barron is a teen who has nothing to do with this impeachment hearing. The professor made an error in judgement. I understand she apologized. Good. We can all move on. But let's be true to our principles.

[moondust]

96. Could have said "Earl" instead.

And saved all the fuss.

[onenote]

115. Yep.

[Paladin]

107. I'm tired of the trumps using that kid as some sort of shield from criticism.

I'm with the prof on this one, 100%.

[FiveGoodMen]

114. As long as that trick works, they'll keep using it

[Perseus]

116. They just don't understand, to republicans oine has to be ver explicit, they can't, on their own

figure out what is said.

She should have said "His father may have named him Barron, but because trump is not a king, he cannot bestow the title of baron to his child." and even that one may be very difficult for the average republican.

[malaise]

117. Mentioning a person's name is not the same as saying something about said someone

They are way too fucking stupid

[MarianJack]

120. Maybe sometime soon...

...Dolt45 may actually be introduced to Barron.

RESIST!

[Crowman2009]

121. Then these RW pricks should apologize about what they said about Obama's daughters.

If not, then they should fuck off.

[bdamomma]

123. That is

what she said exactly.