266,000 Jobs My Ass - Wait For Another 500,000 Jobs Revision Like Last Time

[DanieRains]

Who is stupid enough to print, or publicize any number coming from Trump's minions.

Who wants to bet the number is phony and will be revised "bigly"?

The highest revision in history!

Ever!

(just like last time)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/half-million-fewer-jobs-revisions-hit-trump-economy-n1046156

[mahatmakanejeeves]

1. Here's where to complain:

For everyone who thinks the BLS is just making this stuff up, there's contact information in here. You can write them and let them know you're on to them.

From The mind-numbing rant, based on a version posted on the first Friday in September 2016:

[center]Complaint Department[/center]

I post this information on a nonpartisan basis. I am not here to make elected officials of any party or persuasion look good. I am certain that the people who compile these data are of the same outlook. They are civil servants. They do not work for a party; they work for you, the American people.

My only contribution is to cut and paste a few paragraphs from the BLS and then, in the commentary, link to some sources that I feel are trustworthy. I hope people come away with a better understanding of the data after reading this thread. Once again, I do not work for BLS, but I will nonetheless try to assist if I can.

If you feel the Bureau of Labor Statistics is handing out bunk, start here:

Point of Contact for Complaints Concerning Information Quality

Affected persons who believe that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has disseminated information that does not meet its guidelines or those of the Department of Labor or Office of Management and Budget, and who wish to file a formal complaint may send their complaint by mail, e-mail, or fax to:

Division of Management Systems
Bureau of Labor Statistics
U.S. Department of Labor
2 Massachusetts Avenue, N.E., Room 4080
Washington, D.C., 20212-0001
E-mail: [e-mail]
Fax: [phone]

Complainants should:

Identify themselves and indicate where and how they can be reached;
Identify, as specifically as possible, the information in question;
Indicate how they are affected by the information about which they are complaining;
Carefully describe the nature of the complaint, including an explanation of why they believe the information does not comply with OMB, Departmental, or agency-specific guidelines; and
Describe the change requested and the reason why the agency should make the change.

Failure to include this information may result in a complainant not receiving a response to the complaint or greatly reducing the usefulness or timeliness of any response. Complainants should be aware that they bear the burden of establishing that they are affected persons and showing the need and justification for the correction they are seeking, including why the information being complained about does not comply with applicable guidelines.

[getagrip_already]

2. Ive always suspected

That the economic numbers this administration puts out are cooked.

They lie about everything. This is important enough they would have focussed on falsfying thrm early.

[Amishman]

16. Every admin going back to Reagan or Carter has been accused of cooking these numbers

Given the amount of private sector number crunchers in finance, I doubt they could fudge them much if they wanted to. Revisions are normal, I remember my right wing in-laws claiming the same stuff under Obama.

[getagrip_already]

17. maybe, but trumps sharpie has changed a lot of expectations...

We've had dishonest presidents before, but never one who lies with every breath or one who has systematically destroyed the civil service infrastructure.

[Control-Z]

3. I just heard the report and had the same reaction.

I don't believe anything this administration says.

[Lochloosa]

4. 40k of those were UAW'S going off strike

[2naSalit]

5. K&R

[mathematic]

6. Of course the first post in GD about this is a conspiracy theory

Surely I'm not the only person that get tired of "good numbers - fraud, bad numbers - proof!"?

I still maintain that anybody that simultaneously believes that
1) The thousands of professionals at the BLS are systematically engaged in fabricating data to make the administration looks good
(a claim often indirectly made here on DU)
and
2) Government should have an increased role in our economic lives via regulation, welfare payments, or direct ownership of industries
(a position often held by people here on DU)

are out of their fucking minds.

Personally, I think the government should have an increased role in our economic lives, in part, because of the thousands of professionals of the bls doing their job despite the whims of the administration.

[Doremus]

11. Huh?

Government should have an increased role in our economic lives via regulation, welfare payments, or direct ownership of industries
(a position often held by people here on DU)

I don't know where to begin with this. Maybe you should clarify what you mean by providing links to examples for starters.

[Nature Man]

29. Conservative/Libertarian dog whistling

so loud, you can actually hear it!

[Nature Man]

28. I can see what you're trying to do . . .

LOL

[ProfessorGAC]

30. Had Me, Lost Me

Your item 2 is two dimensional libertarian nonsense. Provably so.
By, you know, MATH!

[mathematic]

31. What on earth are you talking about

#2 is absolutely a position held by virtually all democrats. Including me, as I also point out.

When I got one response I figured, "This is just bad reading comprehension, I'll just ignore it." But now there are 3 responses, so what gives, did I not make the "and" and "or" big enough? Did I make some a typo somewhere? What, exactly, do you think I'm saying in my post?

[ProfessorGAC]

34. You Think "And" Absolves You?

The very fact that you leveraged your opinion on nonsense easily disproven by data absolves you of putting forth libertarian, 2 dimensional claptrap is dismissed by "and"?
There is someone on this thread with a reading comprehension problem.
It's not me.
Also, quick presentation tip: don't enumerate points that are self a contradictory with " and".
If you really meant what you seem to think you meant, "but" or "while, at the same time" would be smarter.
You wrote it badly, assuming I can trust you didn't mean to promote that nonsense. Don't accuse others of reading comprehension difficulties. Write more clearly!

[mathematic]

37. That they're contradictory is entirely the point!

It's right there in words!

I say that people that believe 1) AND 2), who do exist, are holding contradictory positions!

Though I'm glad you think writing "while, at the same time" would be helpful because I literally wrote "anybody that simultaneously believes". These two things are both ways to say the same thing but I prefer my way because I think it prepares the reader to expect that they're about to read a list of things that a hypothetical person believes.

You don't get to misread my post, offer "corrections" that already exist in the post, and then pretend like you're giving me good advice while insulting me. That just sucks. You could have just said "Oh, sorry, I misread your post. I think it would read more naturally if you put the 'while' in the middle". Instead you continue to insist that I'm pushing some sort of libertarian agenda and, in your first response to me, did it while mocking my user name as if the mere fact that "math" is in my username proves that I can't possibly be posting in good faith. This is just bizarre.

[hatrack]

7. *COUGH* seasonal hiring *COUGH*

.

[former9thward]

23. The Labor Department knows it is the holiday season.

They always adjust numbers every year at this time to counter that. Every year. It is in the report.

[Recursion]

8. Remember, the professional bureaucracy is the only thing that can save us

And these numbers are made by career analysts, not hacks.

[Vinca]

9. When I heard this I was incredulous. How can Trump be adding tariffs and suddenly the jobs

numbers are rosier than ever and the stock market (aka casino) is up more than 300 pts.? Something stinks. I've always assumed that whatever entity comes up with these numbers is apolitical, but it's seeming a bit stinky. My husband reminds me that many people work 3 jobs, but even so it doesn't make sense.

[Drunken Irishman]

10. lol you all sounds just like the GOP who said Obama cooked the numbers in 2012.

[DanieRains]

12. Irish Dude Obama Never Did A 500,000 Job Revision

Brag, brag, brag, then revise.

[Drunken Irishman]

14. Job revisions happen all the time, in both directions.

Under Obama, there was a massive 386,000 job revision in the positive.

To believe what you're selling, Trump would have to cook the books initially and then revise later but why? If he can cook the books, why revise at all? It's funny to me because Trump was one of the people who pushed the idea that Obama was faking job data.

[uponit7771]

18. False equivalence noted, Obama isn't empirically a racist child abusing whore to Putin

[Drunken Irishman]

19. No but the same defense used as to why it was impossible to manipulate those #s hasn't changed...

...just because Trump is president.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/10/experts-say-trump-probably-cant-manipulate-economic-data-for-2020-bid.html

[uponit7771]

21. UKR Scandal says this whole article is bunk. People need to come to reality the racist child

... abusers like Trump are usually evil people

[roamer65]

13. If any were created, they are mostly low wage and temporary.

[Joe941]

15. Trump doesnt deserve credit for the good economy.

Name one thing he has done? The credit belongs to the American workers who are working very hard.

[ck4829]

25. Yep

[Johonny]

32. More to the point, no one gave credit in 2016 for Obama producing the same economy

So why should Trump get credit. The only thing he's done is guarantee the proceeds of this economic boon would funnel to the select few.

[moondust]

20. Rosy picture spurs holiday shopping?

[Mike 03]

26. Yes.

Also be wary of these Black Friday, CyberMonday and Holiday Season sales reports touting "best year ever" and pressuring people to spend more money than they planned. They are almost always revised downward in February. It's a racket.

[forthemiddle]

22. My husband works in the manufacturing business

He visits 40+ machining shops a month, and they can not find enough workers. It is still a strong labor market in those markets.

[albacore]

36. ALL the trades are crying for people. The big question...Can it last? nt

[ck4829]

24. K&R

[duforsure]

27. Putin and trump only promote propaganda

To use to claim for themselves , and project onto others their guilt. Remember trumps claims against President Obama's numbers as false, but his isn't, lol. When anyone else has a good thing report he always projected it as false, fake, corrupt, then would say how bad it really was, knowing he's done that over and over again using lies and stating claims he can never prove because he knows it's nothing but lies.

[Johnny2X2X]

33. They always accuse others of what they do themselves

Not saying the BLS is corrupted yet, but there is one irrefutable truth about Trump and his syndicate, they will always do what they accuse others of doing. And Trump accused Obama of manipulating the BLS for 8 years.

[Blue_true]

35. Look at every federal department under Trump.

The IRS has basically become his personal shield. He fires and tries to publicly humiliate anyone that tells the truth. How many people will stand up to that and still do the right thing? It would not surprise me at all if we find out after Trump is gone that BLM employees were being told to put a positive spin on all jobs numbers under him.