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Prosper

(761 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 11:06 AM Dec 2019

People don't understand what socialism and right wing capitalism are. If they did the country would

Far left

A main tenet of socialism is nobody gets wiped out by a bad choice. It is like insurance and spreads the debt among everybody. 2008 created the perfect example of socialism:

“Amid the chaos caused by Lehman’s collapse, the big banks got hundreds of billions of dollars in bailouts. Aggressive stimulus efforts by Washington officials injected trillions of dollars more into the financial markets and the economy, helping to end the recession, trigger record bank profits and fuel a historic stock market boom.”


But there were no big bailouts (socializing) for lower- or middle-income Americans.

Here is right wing capitalism where you are solely responsible for your decisions and problems:

“About 8.7 million people lost their jobs, sending the unemployment rate soaring to 10%. Housing prices dropped by a third nationwide from their 2006 peak — and even further in California — causing as many as 10 million people to lose their homes.”

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People don't understand what socialism and right wing capitalism are. If they did the country would (Original Post) Prosper Dec 2019 OP
*Slams head into desk* That's not Socialism, Socialism is when workers own and control the means... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #1
That is the problem. Nobody absolutely nobody is Prosper Dec 2019 #4
People don't understand that we don't win political fights by arguing about definitions struggle4progress Dec 2019 #2
When a definition is aberrated like Trump does it Prosper Dec 2019 #5
That approach may simply give Trump control of the convdersation struggle4progress Dec 2019 #6
True and it works, unchallenged Trump is the definition. Prosper Dec 2019 #7
Talk about the concrete policies and programs and skip the abstract debate struggle4progress Dec 2019 #8
Some people do and some people don't. abqtommy Dec 2019 #3
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
1. *Slams head into desk* That's not Socialism, Socialism is when workers own and control the means...
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 11:08 AM
Dec 2019

of production through some democratic means.

You are talking about Social Democracy, which is a compromise position made up by literal Oligarchs and Nobility, in Germany, where it first blossomed, to stave off a worker's revolution.

Prosper

(761 posts)
4. That is the problem. Nobody absolutely nobody is
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 03:08 PM
Dec 2019

proposing going to your definition of socialism and perpetuates the right wing scare tactics to alienate against modern countries adapting the social benefits derived from socialism.

People, just about 99% benefit from democratic adaptations of socialism, like Social Security. Scaring people with a classical definition of socialism prevents adapting the benefits.

struggle4progress

(118,032 posts)
6. That approach may simply give Trump control of the convdersation
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 03:32 PM
Dec 2019

People, who hear you argue against nonsense, might assume there's a credible disagreement

Prosper

(761 posts)
7. True and it works, unchallenged Trump is the definition.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 04:01 PM
Dec 2019

Promulgating the positive derivates of socialism like Social Security defeats Trump who would like all radical rights do away with Social Security tomorrow.

struggle4progress

(118,032 posts)
8. Talk about the concrete policies and programs and skip the abstract debate
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:09 PM
Dec 2019

If enough people misunderstand the words you use, it's no use to insist on using the words

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