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turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 01:29 PM Dec 2019

What Alexander Hamilton Would Have Thought About a Wealth Tax

By Ray Raphael / History News Network
December 6, 2019

Wealth taxes are on the current political table and hotly debated. All taxation was on the framers’ table as they considered a new constitution. What would they make of the measures we are considering now? And more to the point: does the Constitution they drafted allow Congress to tax a person’s overall wealth?

The short answer: yes and no. The longer answer requires historical context.

In the six months preceding the Federal Convention of 1787, Congress received from the separate states, which alone possessed powers of taxation, a grand total of $663—hardly enough to run the nation. Little wonder that the framers’ proposal, what is now our Constitution, granted Congress sweeping authority to levy taxes: “The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises …”

Although taxing authority was broad, the framers delineated only five specific types, each with a qualification:

“Duties, Imposts, and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.”

“No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or enumeration.”

“No Tax or Duty shall be laid on any Articles exported from any State.”

https://time.com/5745364/wealth-tax-constitution/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

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We have been through this before. In Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan and Trust Company (1895), the Supreme Court declared that taxing income derived from wealth (rents, interest, and dividends) was a direct tax and therefore had to be apportioned, while taxing income derived from labor (wages and salaries) was indirect and therefore did not have to be apportioned. This meant that Congress could tax working people readily, while taxing wealthy people would be unworkable. Workers cried foul. They pushed for, and got, the Sixteenth Amendment, which repudiated Pollock by lifting the apportionment requirement from all income taxes.

Today, facing rampant inequality, we can cry foul again—but we remain saddled with a provision of the Constitution geared to protect the slave-owning interests of Southern states in 1787. Even so, taxing income rather than wealth is always possible. There is no constitutional limit on the tax rate, so long as it is “uniform throughout the United States.”

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What Alexander Hamilton Would Have Thought About a Wealth Tax (Original Post) turbinetree Dec 2019 OP
Property Tax is a wealth tax. Every state in the Union has property tax. Farmer-Rick Dec 2019 #1
That is on a state level, not federal MichMan Dec 2019 #2
True, you know what property isn't taxed by anyone? It's something the filthy rich have the most of. Farmer-Rick Dec 2019 #6
I would love to get rid of that Polybius Dec 2019 #5
The wealth tax is a bit like the Turbineguy Dec 2019 #3
The key to fair a fair tax is campaign finance reform. safeinOhio Dec 2019 #4

MichMan

(11,868 posts)
2. That is on a state level, not federal
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 02:01 PM
Dec 2019

Nothing is preventing a state from imposing any wealth tax they desire.

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
6. True, you know what property isn't taxed by anyone? It's something the filthy rich have the most of.
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 04:45 PM
Dec 2019

Right it's stocks and bonds.

Though the income from them might be taxable.

Polybius

(15,334 posts)
5. I would love to get rid of that
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 02:38 PM
Dec 2019

I hate paying $5,000 a year. It's my house and property. However, I do support a wealth tax to pay for it.

Turbineguy

(37,291 posts)
3. The wealth tax is a bit like the
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 02:12 PM
Dec 2019

guillotine. It solved a problem, but not very well.

There are many better ways of apportioning and distributing wealth that need to be looked at.

Medicare for all, no- or low tuition education, tax deduction policy. income tax rates. We obviously found out that corporations were not going to take their tax breaks and give more income to the regular workers.

safeinOhio

(32,641 posts)
4. The key to fair a fair tax is campaign finance reform.
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 02:19 PM
Dec 2019

The rich and big business have been writing the tax laws for a long time. Take away their influence and it won't take long.

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