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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 11:46 PM Dec 2019

Please explain why so many otherwise reasonable people consider the conduct outlined by Mueller A-OK

Volume 2 of the Mueller report, despite my disappointment in him, clearly outlines obstruction of justice of the type, if not much worse, for which Nixon was forced from office.

Therefore, I am genuinely curious why so many of the people I consider close allies view it as A-OK and not impeachable? It ticks me off to say the least. Please provide the rationale to me.

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certainot

(9,090 posts)
14. trump is a dittohead and ever since the russian agent entered the gop primary lmbaugh has led
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:20 AM
Dec 2019

1500 radio stations in a chorus of excuses for him.

lmbo attacked bush and rubio for being soft on immigration while trying to look a little even handed but was always there to make excuses and rationalizations for everything trump did

since inauguration lmbaaugh pushed the 'deep state' shit suggesting obama clinton soros were working on a coup and those 1500 radio stations, led by 600 lmbaugh stations are what nearly all republican politicians have to bow to

lmbaugh in a neighbor, golf partner, and friend of trump and probably also being used buy the russians back to at least 2008. trump is known to listen to tallk radio and sam nunberg "listened to 1000's of hours of talk radio" in 2014 and trump as "getting reports from me" --- which may have been going to the russians

incredibly, city-dwelling leadership in dem paarty and most media have no clue and blame fox, so it seems incredible

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
3. Sorry I meant the clutching of pearls
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 11:58 PM
Dec 2019

With regard to including it in the coming articles of impeachment or not. Could care less what the KGOP lunatics think.

Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
5. Because Democrats allowed the Republican's to capture the narrative. Had this been Obama Republicans
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 02:53 AM
Dec 2019

would have been relentless in not allowing anyone to NOT know he probably committed crimes.

The Mouth

(3,122 posts)
6. They like what Trump is doing
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 04:54 PM
Dec 2019

Picking conservative jurors
Rolling back regulations

I don't know about the 'close allies' part, my observation is that the people who like what Trump is doing are more than willing to forgive everything else.

Johonny

(20,674 posts)
7. Most people never read the report, and the media certainly didn't point by point go through it
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 04:56 PM
Dec 2019

Mueller had his chance on national TV and failed to deliever his report with the fire he should have felt...

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
9. I think that is exactly WHY Mueller was tasked to do this...they knew he would never color outside
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 05:00 PM
Dec 2019

the lines in any way and he is not the same guy as years ago. Rosenstein is one big sonofabitch.

Caliman73

(11,690 posts)
10. I will venture to say that a majority of people in the US do not even know what was in the report.
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 05:06 PM
Dec 2019

You are participating in a forum of people who are Democrats and who are motivated to keep up with politics in general and in this ever increasing shit show that imperils our democracy. The rest of the the citizenry is typically not involved in or aware of the political process. "Politics" has been a dirty word in the US and people often times think that it is something separate from "every day life".

Mueller's report was legal and bureaucratic in its presentation and Mueller himself was the same, as it likely should be. However, the average person is looking for the Starr Report with all of its detail about dirty sex and salacious bullshit. You are correct however that there is clear evidence and conclusions that Obstruction occurred. People are just not interested in "boring" government stuff.

You likely noticed that during the beginning of the "Ukraine" portion of this scandal, more people started to pay attention and the number of people thinking Trump should be impeached and removed went up. Ukraine is a little easier and more salacious.

Remember that we live in a country where in 2014 about 25% of the people think that sun revolves around the earth, and there is a growing "flat earth" movement.

There has been a consistent strain of "anti-intellectualism" in the US throughout our history.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,353 posts)
11. IDK
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 05:09 PM
Dec 2019

I think that some people either bought Barr's BS spin on the (still redacted) report or, in terms of some of the House Dems felt like the whole Mueller thing is "too hard for the average person to understand," which really frustrates me because that's a really shoddy excuse for not doing something that Congress is supposed to do, especially since Mueller stated that he *couldn't* legally recommend charges for, but then also agreed that he would under different circumstances. I still feel like the situation with the Ukraine that we *are* trying to impeach Trump over grew out of what Mueller investigated but couldn't

Cetacea

(7,367 posts)
12. "Obstruction is not a crime if there is no underlying crime". Barr
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 06:27 PM
Dec 2019

Barr is the number one reason. His view on obstruction is insane but he got away with it. Mueller himself stated that the constant obstruction prevented his team from pursuing things further. And he wasn't permitted to follow the money trail, something that wasn't known until Barr took over. Prior to that, everybody, and I mean everybody, thought that Mueller had near unlimited scope. And it didn't help matters that the GOP ran the House and senate investigations.
Dems just now allowed a republican Judiciary member trash the Mueller investigation during his five minutes, a pattern that has been in place since the spring.
There is plenty of evidence in the Mueller report.
It's a bit unfair to blame Mueller.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. Because we had no leadership out there on minute
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:05 AM
Dec 2019

one declaring that there were impeachable offenses! It was silence ..and ALL the people waiting thought, well if Dems aren't saying it's impeachable then must not be.

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