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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 07:54 AM Dec 2019

WaPo Exclusive: US officials misled public about War in Afghanistan

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/

By Craig Whitlock

Dec. 9, 2019

A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.

The documents were generated by a federal project examining the root failures of the longest armed conflict in U.S. history. They include more than 2,000 pages of previously unpublished notes of interviews with people who played a direct role in the war, from generals and diplomats to aid workers and Afghan officials.

The U.S. government tried to shield the identities of the vast majority of those interviewed for the project and conceal nearly all of their remarks. The Post won release of the documents under the Freedom of Information Act after a three-year legal battle.

In the interviews, more than 400 insiders offered unrestrained criticism of what went wrong in Afghanistan and how the United States became mired in nearly two decades of warfare.

With a bluntness rarely expressed in public, the interviews lay bare pent-up complaints, frustrations and confessions, along with second-guessing and backbiting.

Click any underlined text in the story to see the statement in the original document

“We were devoid of a fundamental understanding of Afghanistan — we didn’t know what we were doing,” Douglas Lute, a three-star Army general who served as the White House’s Afghan war czar during the Bush and Obama administrations, told government interviewers in 2015. He added: “What are we trying to do here? We didn’t have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking.”

“If the American people knew the magnitude of this dysfunction .?.?. 2,400 lives lost,” Lute added, blaming the deaths of U.S. military personnel on bureaucratic breakdowns among Congress, the Pentagon and the State Department. “Who will say this was in vain?”

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Modern-day Pentagon Papers!
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WaPo Exclusive: US officials misled public about War in Afghanistan (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Dec 2019 OP
Bush, trump AND Obama. It's horrible. mucifer Dec 2019 #1
Oil/Heroin/Arms Money Laundromat Nature Man Dec 2019 #2
So, what's gonna be done about it? 3Hotdogs Dec 2019 #3
What makes government contractors richest exboyfil Dec 2019 #4
So my daughter was stationed there ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #5
Nailed it. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #6
Isn't this a lose lose situation? zaj Dec 2019 #7
Sounds like Vietnam all over again. We never learn. jalan48 Dec 2019 #8
We don't want to learn. We want to conquer and grab resources for profits bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #10
I agree. jalan48 Dec 2019 #12
Yup! The Pentagon Papers told us that the South was never going to stand up and or win the war Botany Dec 2019 #11
Charlie Wilson's War bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #9
A billion here, a billion there... Dennis Donovan Dec 2019 #13
sombody on here had this saying , war is a rackett. vietnam, cambodia, laos , and AllaN01Bear Dec 2019 #14
I believe that's what Gen. Smedley Butler said. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #15
"Katie Graham's gonna get her tit caught in a big fat wringer if that's ever published." mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #16
Finally, evidence of bipartisanship BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #17
Yes it does gratuitous Dec 2019 #18
Fully agree BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #19

Nature Man

(869 posts)
2. Oil/Heroin/Arms Money Laundromat
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 08:48 AM
Dec 2019

virtually unreported by corporate state run complicit media.

18. Fucking. Years.

ismnotwasm

(41,965 posts)
5. So my daughter was stationed there
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 09:52 AM
Dec 2019

She knew this back in the day. Russia learned a very hard lesson there prior to us going in. There’s an entire history there

This is what makes “negotiating” with the Taliban so horrifically surreal. We lost this war and never should have gone in in the first place.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
7. Isn't this a lose lose situation?
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:17 AM
Dec 2019

We don't know what to do exactly, but we do know walking away will be bad? Sorta like Vietnam, only with far fewer dead?

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
10. We don't want to learn. We want to conquer and grab resources for profits
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:31 AM
Dec 2019

It's what the Pilgrims did, after all

Botany

(70,447 posts)
11. Yup! The Pentagon Papers told us that the South was never going to stand up and or win the war
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:33 AM
Dec 2019

Before Kennedy was killed he was starting to get us out because he knew that he was being lied to
about the war and body counts.

BTW We could have killed bin Laden and thrown the Taliban from power w/in 3 months* but instead
Rummy/Cheney let him get away so they could keep a "boogie man" out there. And so we became
bogged down in an endless just war like the Russians, Ghingas Khan, and many more fools who
thought they could fight a war in Afghanistan.


* And be seen as the good guys when we left.

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
9. Charlie Wilson's War
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:30 AM
Dec 2019

became a long term profit machine for defense companies and their owners. Can't help wondering if the profit motive doesn't drive the ideology so the policy can be created and enacted to fulfill the cash flows. WMD in another form.

AllaN01Bear

(17,987 posts)
14. sombody on here had this saying , war is a rackett. vietnam, cambodia, laos , and
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:54 AM
Dec 2019

other secret wars we dont know about.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
18. Yes it does
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 01:32 PM
Dec 2019

But for some reason I can't quite pin down, I suspect that most of the media coverage will be devoted to the time period of 2009 through 2016. The person who will receive the brunt of the criticism will be the president. There won't be any coverage of any caterwauling by a certain party about cutting and running or dishonoring the war dead by refusing to add to their ranks. There will be no discussion about Congress refusing to consider or authorizing funds for shutting down the concentration camp at Guantanamo. And for sure there will be no acknowledgement that a certain segment of the population called this from the earliest days, because they're just dirty fucking hippies.

Call it a hunch.

BeyondGeography

(39,346 posts)
19. Fully agree
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 01:49 PM
Dec 2019

This is an earthquake; some of the details are hard to stomach even if you shouldn't be shocked. I'm still processing it, tbh. But you know the media will be goaded by twittler into doing just that (focusing on 09-16) and they will cave.

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