If Trump had any support from Jewish voters, I think he just lost them

[berni_mccoy]

Link to tweet

"Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality."

I know, on the surface, sounds good. Sounded good to Trump too. But...

FACT: Judaism is a religion, Israeli is a nationality. USA Jews, ARE AMERICAN. This is a step towards ostracizing them.

[NewJeffCT]

1. Jewish voters have been reliably Democratic

for at least 100 years.

[karynnj]

35. Except for the Ultra Orthodox, who are becoming a bigger percent

- not because Jews are flocking to become ultra Orthodox, but because their average family size is very large and they not only rarely assimilate and marry non Jews, they rarely marry outside their communities.

[onecent]

2. I don't see how he can SIGN anything without congress?????

I am HOPING some republicans get together and MAKE HIM GO AWAY.

[berni_mccoy]

4. Executive Order

It's how Obama protected DACA immigrants.

[Turbineguy]

3. Mr. President....

how about you give them a yellow Star of David to wear and feel special?

[Newest Reality]

51. Yes...

Judging by Trump's Fascist game of relying on the scapegoat du jour to wrangle support and power, I think any concern about his motivation to do that is apropos. In fact, it was the first thing that came to mind when I read about it.

He seems to be going by the playbook, often.

[MineralMan]

5. What an odd thing to do!

Unless Trump thinks Jewish Americans have a higher allegiance to Israel than the USA. That seems to be what he's thinking with this. The idea could have come from Lavrov, courtesy of Putin, yesterday.

It's a big mistake for Donwald to have signed that EO.

[PatSeg]

19. He had said something awhile back

that would indicate that that is how he believes, that American Jews have an allegiance to Israel. His ignorance is breathtaking.

[MineralMan]

47. Yes. I remember that.

This is a very bad decision on his part and tells us how he is thinking.

[PatSeg]

62. I found it and its even worse than I'd remembered

Trump met with a group of American Jews shortly after he had spoken to Netanyahu. He said to them, “I’ve just spoken to your prime minister.” He implied that Jews are not real Americans.

This was some time last summer.

https://time.com/5659988/trump-american-jews-israel/

[LiberalFighter]

60. If they have an allegiance to Israel as he claims...

then they should renounce their American citizenship. I seriously doubt American Jews want to do that. Of course, they might if DT became dictator.

[treestar]

65. Still if born in the US they are US citizens, period.

One can have dual citizenship, too.

And a Jewish person seeking naturalization cannot be denied if they qualified.

[PatSeg]

67. Yes, he has an absurd view of Jews,

pretty much like any group of people that he feels is "other" or unlike him. He puts people in limited simplistic categories - all ________s are _________. Like so many things he says, calling a religion a nationality is absurd. He is essentially saying Jews aren't real Americans.

[karynnj]

37. That's kind of what he may have meant when he said we should have loyalty to "our" PM

Netanyahu, incidentally, has spoken of speaking for the diaspora, but in fact, he is not well like non Orthodox American Jewry.

This ignores that American Jews do not - and should not - vote for PM, but if American Jews could vote, Meretz, a left party, would not be at 5 or 6 seats, often in danger of falling below the cutoff that would result in 0 seats.

I agree with people fearing that this is actually playing into the concept that Jews have dual loyalty and that they aren't "nationals" of the countries they were born in. How close is that to saying Jews are thus "not Americans".

The shock to me, as a Jew, is supposedly Kushner had a role in this - I think to be able to equate antisemitism to racism - allowing the use of laws that prevent discrimination based on race. This is dangerous, because antiZionism or protests against anything Israel does are often called antisemitism, when sometimes that can be untrue.

[JHB]

39. It does more than play into "dual loyalty"...

It assumes it and codifies it.

[hlthe2b]

6. Declaring Jews as an "OTHER" Nationality. His White Nationalist NeoNazi supporters LOVE this

I am not Jewish, but I can not imagine how offensive this would be to me if I were--to claim American Jews were/MUST BE Israel-First. and more to the point, not "real" Americans if they do not support HIM.

[dewsgirl]

54. And I would bet this is why he did it, and Miller's hands are

all over it.

[UpInArms]

7. Does he, next, strip them of their American citizenship?

Dangerous, indeed.

[keithbvadu2]

29. To Trump, they would not be Americans. They would be Jews as a nationality.

To Trump, they would not be Americans. They would be Jews as a nationality.

[malaise]

8. Yep

Dangerous shit

[getagrip_already]

9. It may actually make it easier to discriminate.....

Because an employer can use nationality as a basis for employment. So companies that don't hire Israeli's can now not hire american jews.

And yes, there are companies who won't hire any foreign nationals.

[tritsofme]

18. This does not follow.

Jews would not be classified as “foreign nationals” but would be considered a protected class as a nationality or ethnicity.

[Nasruddin]

20. today you're my friend

tomorrow, you're not loyal, and well, I never knew you. Bye.

[tritsofme]

22. Does this thinking apply to all classes protected under federal anti discrimination laws? it

[beachbumbob]

10. trump doing all he can to have but small group of white nationalist supporting him along with Putin

A tsunami of democratic voters can swamp whatever trump/putin/gop has in play for 2020 election

no enlarging of the GOP voter base is happening

[Maru Kitteh]

11. This is stomach-churning. Truly, utterly, frightening.

And Jarvanka will say nothing. Their one true faith, their fealty is to mammon.

[PCIntern]

12. They are as "Jewish" as my cat

What a load of bullshit. He claimed “special dispensation” to fly onShabbat. We have no such thing. We don’t have a Pope or religious hierarchy.

[greymattermom]

25. They are supposedly Modern Orthodox.

So, just check out Ivanka's clothes.

[PCIntern]

57. Horseshit.

Another lie.

Special Dispensation. My ass. No Ortho would ever say that

[kskiska]

21. I read that it came from Kushner.

Go figure.

[Gothmog]

13. As a Jewish voter, I am pissed

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Dennis Donovan]

14. It's also David Duke's position:

Link to tweet

[Farmer-Rick]

15. I know Jews who do not support Isreal. They are Not all in one big club.

So, are we going to give atheist a nationality too?

Trumpy did this so he can legally deport them, discriminate against them and remove religious protections from them. Not a good thing.

I guess Dumpy Trumpy thinks he doesn't need their votes either. When you allow foreign countries to rig you elections, you don't need any voters.

[Duppers]

58. J-Street.org

I disagree with your thought that he intends to deport them - his own son-in-law and grandchildren??

But I know many Jewish folks who oppose the rightwing gov't of Israel and their actions. My last email from J-Street from Nov:

J Street
Duppers--

The Trump administration has just given the settlement movement another massive gift.

Yesterday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced that -- in a radical departure from long-standing American foreign policy and in defiance of the entire international community -- the United States would no longer deem West Bank settlements to be “inconsistent with international law.”

Make no mistake: The settlements are, in fact, illegal under international law. Pompeo’s decision willfully disregards the Geneva Conventions, sets Israel on the path to West Bank annexation and shatters American credibility in the Middle East.

It’s another example of how this administration puts the agenda of pro-annexation, pro-settlement extremists in the US and Israel above concerns for Israel’s security, Palestinian rights and prospects for a negotiated two-state solution.

We have to take a stand. Please contribute what you can to help us send a clear message opposing yesterday’s disastrous announcement >>

We have to make it clear that Pompeo, Trump and Ambassador Friedman are aberrations and their regressive views do not represent the new normal for American foreign policy.

In this moment, that means mounting a furious opposition to this announcement in our community and on Capitol Hill.

Our first step is to push for an immediate vote on House Resolution 326, which reaffirms American opposition to settlement expansion and to unilateral annexation.

But ultimately, it means we’ve got to mobilize like never before to help defeat Trump in 2020 and shape a new, positive agenda for the next administration.

Can you chip in right now to ensure we have the resources we need to carry the day?

Yesterday’s announcement was a real blow to Israelis and Palestinians who long for peace. But it was also a reminder about how important our work is, and the challenge we have ahead of us: Not only must we defeat Trump, we must lay the groundwork for a strong, diplomacy-first vision of global American leadership for the next administration.

We must take on the advocates of permanent occupation and annexation -- and defeat them.

Duppers, thank you so much for your support.

Jess Smith
Chief Operating Officer, J Street

[Farmer-Rick]

63. I hope you are right, that he has no plan to deport Jewish folks

But as a nationality and not a religion, they lose their first amendment rights and can be "controlled" like he does with people south of the border.

Then also will they all need to register, get green cards and take the oath of citizenship? Will there be limits on the number allowed into this country like we limit the number of migrants from Mexico?

This does not bode well for people in this religion.

[Duppers]

68. Thanks, I hope I am too.

From Vox:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/11/21010986/trump-executive-order-anti-semitism-college-campus

[Me.]

16. He's Trying To Stir The Dual Nationality Pot

[ecstatic]

17. I agree. Will this designation start appearing on official forms

and applications? I assume that adding Judaism to the list of options is solely for the purpose of separating people of Jewish faith/descent from the white category. Like the non-Hispanic white category?

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

23. Not really a mystery...

If Judaism is a “nationality” he can then round up and banish them after making up some inane “crime” they committed.

I think it’s a stretch but he is a mad, criminal, sick, deranged owner of a paranoid mind.

[Duppers]

59. his own son-in-law and grandchildren??

[Still In Wisconsin]

24. I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain that no, being a Jew does not make me Israeli.

Yes, I can immigrate to Israel, but I don't want to. I am a US citizen. Not Israeli, not dual citizen. I'm American.


But wait, am I still? Have to ask Trump I guess...

[SCVDem]

26. Executive Overreach!

He does not have the authority to do this!

Next stop, Injunction Junction!

[zentrum]

27. WTF? So Ivanka

....the White Princess married outside of her race? And Rump's grandchildren are "mixed race"?

[Traildogbob]

28. Corruption Warrior

This is because tRump is at war with corruption around the world. He is fighting the recently charged corrupt, (another trump bestie) Netin'Yahoo's corrupt regime. MAGA, Jews will not replace us, Jews will not replace us. Good people. (Can't find that sarcasm thingy)

[ProudMNDemocrat]

30. Are Jared and Ivanka exempt?

There are many Senators and Reps who follow Judaism. Ate they now, no longer Americans? This is not being thought out well.

[Sogo]

56. OMG...

What you posted just made me think he might be trying to disqualify any Jew from running for President - like Bernie or Bloomberg ????

[TygrBright]

31. Then we can start building the camps for all these people of Other Nationality. n/t

[Ilsa]

32. But what about Jared, Ivanka, and their kids?

No longer American?

[Backseat Driver]

33. There oughta be restraining order legislation against EOs during

presidential impeachment proceedings (however Senate votes) and thereafter for remainder of term as a consequence of same.

[onenote]

50. So you think Bill Clinton should have been barred from issuing Executive Orders?

And that the REpublicans could have blocked Obama from issuing any executive orders by simply adopting by a bare majority vote, an article of impeachment that fails in the Senate (or if some here had their way, the House could never even send to the Senate).

Not a good idea.

[treestar]

34. What is even the point of this dumbfuckery?

Interpret as a nationality? For what purpose?

[wryter2000]

43. The point is

Jews aren't American. Next, they never have the rights and freedoms of being Americans.

[onenote]

53. No, the point is to stifle the on campus BDS movement

Under current law, funding for colleges is tied to the adoption and enforcement of anti-discrimination policies. Those policies have to address discrimination based on race, color, or national origin. They don't mention religion. By designating Judaism as a "nationality" the idea is that colleges can treat the BDS movement as discriminatory against Jews, not based on their religion, but on their "national origin." Of course, the concept that all Jews have a common "national origin" that is separate from yet somehow synonymous with Israel makes as much sense as saying Buddhism or Hinduism or even Christianity are "nationalities" synonymous with the country with the largest number of adherents to those religions.

[treestar]

64. Aha. I knew there had to be something like this.

It is the type of thing Stephen Miller would find (I know he's Jewish, but that does not appear to stop him from this type of idiocy).

[bucolic_frolic]

36. Next thing you know they'll be back to Freedom Fries, then baguettes, croissants, steak & kidney pie

and while they're at it, haggus, burritos, General Csao's Chicken.

Bet they never get to borscht.

[karynnj]

38. Not the main point, but what does he do with converts

They have accepted the tenets of whatever branch of Judaism they are converting to, but obviously that would not change their nationality or ethnicity.

[JHB]

40. An answer to that would imply he put any thought into it

[wryter2000]

41. Whoa

That's effing dangerous!

[generalbetrayus]

42. Am I missing something here?

I took this order as an effort to equate Judaism with Israel as part of his on-going effort to make criticism of Israel equivalent to anti-semitism, and therefore any criticism of Israel abhorrent.

[Initech]

46. It has to do with the Education Department's efforts to stop "Boycott Isreal" protests.

And we all know who is currently in charge of the Education Department, so...

[VMA131Marine]

52. They can try that, but it will be challenged in court.

I don't see how any judge upholds this.

[Initech]

44. This is part of the hardcore RW Christian fantasy to carry out the apocalypse.

It started when they moved the embassy last year despite that the entire world was against it. And now this is another step toward achieving the rapture. Fuck these idiots.

[IcyPeas]

45. why is a real estate developer interpreting what is or is not Judaism?

fuck him

[Scurrilous]

48. This will please the 'Zionism is Racism' crowd.

[Historic NY]

49. There is a class distinction between Jews and Israelis....

That question isn't entirely settled in Israel itself.

[treestar]

66. I was wondering what "nation" is it that Dotard means

to refer to? Israel? There's no "nation" for this "nationality" to be a part of. "Israeli" is already a nationality of course.

[Sogo]

55. What does that even mean,

....the nation of “Jew?”

[onenote]

61. The draft Executive Order -- not quite as described in the press

Don't know yet if the final EO will be different than the draft in any material way, but the draft EO strikes me as being rather meaningless. It doesn't say Judaism is a nationality. Frankly, I'm not really sure what the hell it accomplishes.

https://jewishinsider.com/2019/12/exclusive-a-first-look-at-the-language-of-trumps-executive-order-on-antisemitism/