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<...> Here's the first exception. Ryan has told his hometown paper that he has climbed "about 40" of the famous "Fourteeners" in Colorado -- the 54 peaks more than 14,000 feet high. In fairness, he made this claim a few years ago, before he knew he would be under the scrutiny he is now.
Still: this claim makes me even more suspicious than his marathon answer did. I know nothing about mountain climbing, so give my views appropriate weight. But to see what people who do have experience think, you might check out the current comments at the climbers' site SuperTopo. One explains the reason for his skepticism:
The 54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise....
To have climbed forty and not be a resident means that you would have had to devote entire summers to climbing fourteeners, in essence becoming a "lifestyle" hiker/scrambler. I doubt Ryan had the time or dedication to fourteeners to take the required time out from his political career. Even if you did four a summer, that would be ten summers devoted to traveling to Colorado for the purpose of high altitude hiking. Even if you live here and can drive to the trail heads, forty is a huge commitment of time and energy.
Read more at The Atlantic
Make7
(8,543 posts)Paul Ryan (to interviewer): I have climbed about four...
Paul Ryan (to assistant): Tea!
Paul Ryan (back to interviewer): ... of the famous "Fourteeners" in Colorado.
DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts)Enjoy the laughs!
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1905949&tn=100
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)"Why does it matter that Paul Ryan--as seems likely in light of his marathon fabrication--is not a mountain man and is lying about his fourteener record? Because there is no better index of character. It tells of someones desperation to connect to the voters of a swing state, his ability to make stuff up without conscience, and ruthless ambition to obtain power through any means. It also indicates his contempt for the citizens of Colorado. He apparently believes that Colorado voters are clueless and that the press is a lapdog that has lost any ability to check facts. Dedicated hikers, scramblers, climbers, hunters, fishermen and other aficionados of the Colorado high peaks do not need to exaggerate their visceral connection to the Colorado high country and need not apply to become a faux mountain man, like Paul Ryan."
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)Sadly,he is right.At least about a very large portion of them being clueless.If you're not in Denver,Boulder,Aspen or,perhaps Fort Collins,you're pretty much in teabag central....Over on the western slope,many of them come with tinfoil hats.Don't get me started on Colorado Springs,a short drive from Denver.
MissMarple
(9,656 posts)We can't swing the county, but we do swing the state. Obama and Bennet and Udall appreciate that. It's hard work.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I'm pretty sure they won't like this "fourteener" bullshit either. IIR, Obama carried the state by a margin of almost 9%. Keep talking, Lyin' Ryan!
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)In Denver,in Glenwood Springs near Aspen and in Montrose,on the western slope.You have every right to be suspicious of his claim.As you say,the 14ers are in remote spots..One,Mt.Sopris,kinda near Aspen would probably be a couple hour drive from the next nearest one.
And it's not like you can drive up to the base and begin your climb.The logistics and time that would be involved in just climbing ONE would be quite staggering.To have climbed 40,at his age,he wouldn't have had time in his adult life to have done much else...
JHB
(37,158 posts)/Jon Lovitz
yends21012
(228 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)Welcome to DU!
cali
(114,904 posts)what a riot that thread is.
oh, and I love James Fallows. Smart and funny.
MissMarple
(9,656 posts)There is no "about". I have climbed one. On one I didn't make it to the top, so I don't count that one. Using Ryan's logic I could say oh, about two, but that wouldn't be true, now would it? Driving up Pikes peak doesn't count either. People do go on 14er climbathons, but not very often. Hubby has climbed all of them, and would laugh at Ryan's phrasing. For me a guy as competitive as Ryan seems to be would know exactly how many he has climbed.
likesmountains 52
(4,098 posts)up Pikes Peak and walked a mile to the top. Or took a jeep to the Handies trail head and made that 2.5 mile climb 40 times...
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)PIKES PEAK, COLORADO: Lying about running a marathon in under three hours, when your actual time is over four hours, is bad enough. But lie to Coloradans about how many fourteeners you've climbed and you're crossing a line--and not just the tree line.
Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan claims to have climbed 40 of Colorado's 53 fourteeners (mountain peaks over 14,000 feet in elevation).
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WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,174 posts)Before Paul Ryan, with one swing of his mighty hammer, knocked off the tops of three of them because they obstructed his view of Tokyo from Minnesota.
He knocked so much off one peak that it leveled off the land enough so that they could build the city of Denver there.
The three tops are now known as the islands of Hawaii, Oahu, and Maui, such was the force of his mighty swing.
Blecht
(3,803 posts)I lived in Colorado on and off for nearly a decade, and I climbed often.
I'm not sure how many I did, but it would probably be fewer than 20. (If I sat down with a map for a while, it would come back to me -- I did most of my climbing in the 80s.)
I don't think you should bash him for not knowing how many, but I seriously doubt he was able to do 40 without living in the state.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)school to juggle.
I live about the same distance from Colorado and have visited there often (my mom is from Breckinridge). Believe me, going to colorado 40 times would take a HUGE commitment. And he's a dad with kids and a job that demands he travel and be away from his home most of the time already....
very sketchy story
Blecht
(3,803 posts)But it's not necessary to make 40 trips. I remember doing Mt. Evans and Mt. Bierstadt in one day, for example.
But having said that, I would not believe that guy no matter what he says.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)that made him forget his marathon time.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10021276270
I know politicians lie but this guy is close to a being a world record holder
renate
(13,776 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)onethatcares
(16,166 posts)were chasing me, and I was only 17.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 5, 2012, 08:13 PM - Edit history (1)
Hieronymus Carl Friedrich von Münchhausen (German pronunciation: [ˈmʏnçhaʊzən]; 11 May 1720 22 February 1797) was a German nobleman and a famous recounter of tall tales. In his youth the Baron was sent to serve as a page to Duke Anthony Ulrich II of Brunswick-Lüneburg, and later joined the Russian military. He served until 1750, in particular taking part in two campaigns against the Ottoman Turks. Returning home, Münchhausen is said to have told a number of outrageously farfetched stories about his adventures. He died in his birthplace of Bodenwerder.
Even before his death, Münchhausen's reputation as a storyteller was exaggerated by several writers, giving birth to a fully fictionalized literary character usually called simply Baron Munchausen. The (fictional) Baron's exploits, usually narrated by himself, focus on his impossible achievements as a hunter, warrior, and traveler, including rides on cannonballs and trips to the moon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_M%C3%BCnchhausen
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)central scrutinizer
(11,648 posts)maybe that is what he meant
Scuba
(53,475 posts)What? There is no such game?
Well that's just more confirmation that he's a liar, but we already knew that.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)The author doesn't take into account that he's able to climb each peak in just under 3 hours.