BREAKING: UK Election Exit Polls released: Outright Tory Win projected

[brooklynite]

Conservative -- 368 (+70)
Labour -- 191 (-51)
Liberal Democrat -- 13 (-7)
Brexit -- 0 (0)
SNP -- 55 (+20)
Green 1

Big shift from Scottish Labour to SNP

[Tiggeroshii]

1. That really effing sucks.

But not unexpected, I suppose. Hopefully the high turnout will get in the way of the formulas they used. But I doubt it... Brexit is now a sure thing.

[OnDoutside]

5. What kind of Brexit though....

[Tiggeroshii]

7. No deal has pretty much been taken off the table, I think. But regardless, the NHS will now be short

lived.

[OnDoutside]

18. We'll see on the off the table.... however it's likely to lead to the

break up of the UK.

[Tiggeroshii]

19. Yeah.

Unbelievable

[dewsgirl]

2. I think I don't understand UK politics enough.

[OnDoutside]

10. I think people just "want Brexit done", even though the consequences

will mean it will go on for years. Be careful what you wish for, because they have do all the trade deals with an incredibly weak hand. Trump is going to pick them apart.

Corbyn to resign tomorrow surely.

[dewsgirl]

26. Just devastating for the UK. Wasn't the Labour party going

to have a second referendum on Brexit?
My understanding of Brexit is limited to the 3 episodes of Last Week Tonight, that covered them and the fact that Russia has had a hand in it.

[OnDoutside]

30. Pretty much means Brexit will now happen but then they have to

negotiate the long term trade deal with the EU... essentially they are going to be in a far worse situation than they currently have. And if they ever reapply for membership, all the cozy opt outs they have now, won't be coming back.

[dewsgirl]

32. Yikes, I was under the assumption the majority no longer

wanted Brexit.

[OnDoutside]

41. I think the majority do want to stay, but they won't get a chance to vote again. The UK will have

to leave and then the chips will fall where they may. The health system is going to be under savage attack, and many of the hard fought labour rights will be rolled back, because they won't have EU protections.

[dewsgirl]

44. 😔

[Blue_true]

65. Corbyn was wishy-washy on a referendum. nt

[dewsgirl]

79. The more I read, the more I see, he wasn't so great either.

[Blue_true]

87. He has been a disaster for Labour. This shows what putting an unbending ideologue at the head of a

party can lead to. We need to learn from the lesson that the election in Britain earlier today loudly sent out.

[Polybius]

104. Picture Jill Stein, only instead of a minor Party the head of the main opposition

That's Jeremy Corbyn. Now picture that person running against a smarter Trump. A miracle they only lost 80.

[Blue_true]

61. The only upside will be if Corbyn resigns.

I believe that Brexit is going to screw Great Britain bigtime. They begged their way into the EU in the early seventies, became prosperous once again from that association, then decided that they didn't need the EU. Well it is back to pre-EU days for them, I was still in my teens, but I remember reading in Newsweek and Time about how poor the UK was doing compared to Germany, led by Willy Brant.

[OnDoutside]

85. It's hugely sad, but maybe it's for the best in the long term, as the English people really need to

have a conversation with themselves, about who they are in a Post Empire, post WW2, and now Post EU world.

[Blue_true]

89. It will be interesting watching the country's downfall.

It will be a lone nation trying to trade with trading blocks. Even Russia was smart enough to get it's toe into the Asian block that China has set up.

[OnDoutside]

90. Yes all that and more, Trump is going to gut them, and so is every other block...why wouldn't they ?

[Blue_true]

93. You're right on all points.

If they are lucky, Trump won't negotiate with them because he would no longer be president.

[Joe941]

3. This is absolutely stunning...

and sad.

[FiveGoodMen]

4. Well, they've dug THEIR grave...

[BannonsLiver]

9. More specifically Corbyn did

When you can’t articulate a coherent position on the most important issue facing the country (Brexit) you deserve to lose. This would have been difficult but winnable with almost anyone else as Labour leader. The silver lining is Corbyn is history and the party can now begin the long road back to relevancy.

[Tiggeroshii]

20. No.

Corbyn did not vote for those people. They knew exactly what was going to happen. I don't care if the Labour leader was a rusty nail, a vote for Johnson is complete suicide.

[BannonsLiver]

36. Wrong

He couldn’t articulate a coherent position on Brexit. He failed to deal with the antisemitism. He failed to offer any semblance of leadership on anything. He is a walking, talking shit show.

I realize Sanders supporters feel some bizarre kinship with him for some reason, but this is on Corbyn, period. You can pretend it’s not with empty platitudes but it doesn’t change anything.

The good news: Buh bye, Jeremy. And good riddance.

[Tiggeroshii]

37. It shouldn't matter.

I blame the voters.

[The Valley Below]

40. Why? Jeremy Corbyn is an absolutely deplorable human being and having him

as the head of a party is disqualifying.

Boris Johnson was eminently beatable.

By anybody but Corbyn and his cadre.

Time to go the fuck away!

[BooScout]

63. What on earth for?

Because of Corbyn's ego and ineptitude, the voters had very little to work with. Corbyn should have been dumped by Labour long ago, but it was almost as if the party was paralysed and afraid to put someone/anyone else forward for party leader.I

This historical and embarrassing loss is on Corbyn and the Labour party leadership....or more accurately, lack of party leadership.

[Tiggeroshii]

66. Because they voted to destroy their country over somebody who

Wouldn't

[BooScout]

71. You don't know much about British politics do you.

[AncientGeezer]

80. Do you know Corbyns history?...he's a lunatic

[Tiggeroshii]

91. Johnson fought tooth and nail for a no deal brexit

That alone would have killed thousands from the economic effects. That's on par with murder as far as I'm concerned. Now he is likely to sell out the NHS, which will also kill thousands. Corbyn's policies wouldn't do anything near that level of destruction.

[AncientGeezer]

119. Are you now saying thousands are going to die because of this landslide?

[Tiggeroshii]

121. According to the governments own assessment.

A no deal brexit would have that result. If that is still a chance of happening.

[AncientGeezer]

122. I'd love to see that study.

I've read that the remainer Business Secretary warned 'many thousands of jobs' could be destroyed in hard Brexit
I've never read thousands of people will DIE in hard Brexit.

You'll have to show your work on that....no MP would be for HB if that study was objectively prepared.

[Tiggeroshii]

123. The spike in deaths would mean thousands as a result of the shortage of drugs that is likely.

https://apnews.com/3a9d922f6fb14049af6c0abe042f316f

https://www.nao.org.uk/report/exiting-the-eu-supplying-the-health-and-social-care-sectors/

It is reasonable to say that any "spike in deaths" is not a negligible number, if the government was concerned about it in this report. People rely on this medicne to stay alive, so a shortage in the thousands will likely correlate to a notable level of deaths.

[AncientGeezer]

124. 1st you AP article says nothing about thousands of deaths..

and was about the now moot Oct31 HB

The linked report Also says Nothing of thousands of deaths...in fact it says..
Overall assessment

The Department has done a great deal of work to prepare for a no-deal exit. It identified several high-risk areas and took steps to fill gaps in the information it held, for example on the reliance of supplies on the short Channel crossings. It worked effectively with stakeholders in the medicines industry to understand the challenges they face in the event of a no-deal exit and to address them, for example by providing additional warehouse capacity. However, there remains a significant amount to do before 31 October, in particular to ensure that:

government has a full picture of preparedness across the supplier base;
sufficient cross-government freight capacity is in place; and
social care providers such as nursing homes are fully prepared.

[Tiggeroshii]

125. So a "spike in deaths" due to thousands of medicines not being distributed

would not result a noteworthy number of deaths? Statistically, a "spike" would not be a spike unless a minimum of a few thousand deaths were likely in a nation of 66 million people. Otherwise it wouldn't even show up on the radar. "Thousands" is being conservative in a scenario such as that.

[AncientGeezer]

127. ONE Dr. "predicted" a spike in illness and deaths(not thousands)...in an opinion

on a Brexit deadline that wasn't implemented..in Oct.
The actual linked report said Nothing of the sort.

This is December and the new Parliament hasn't even met.

[Tiggeroshii]

128. K

[AncientGeezer]

129. Wise decision...I research the stuff

[Tiggeroshii]

130. K

[AncientGeezer]

131. Exactly...I love when people make claims they can't back and say...K.

Pretty much ends the debate

[Tiggeroshii]

132. Ok

[Blue_true]

74. Yeah, Bernie supporters seem to have a deep affection for Corbyn.

And as with Bernie, I fail to see why. Both seem incapable of providing clear details on where they will take a nation and both seem to be tone-deaf about what really matters to voters.

[VMA131Marine]

86. Anybody else but Corbyn

and Labour probably runs away with the election. Corbyn has been a disaster as Labour leader. So bad, in fact, I have to wonder if he really wanted to be PM.

[BannonsLiver]

88. Exactly

BTW for the people chalking it up to Brexit, Labour is down in BOTH leave and remain areas, per BBC News, which blows up that narrative.

[BooScout]

58. Exactly...

And good riddance to him when he goes. He has blown every single chance he had to halt Brexit. Because of him, Labour is looking at the very least, a decade to recover.

[Blue_true]

69. I agree. Now it's back to pre-EU days for them.

Companies that held on hoping the Brexit would not happen have no reason to stay in the UK now. The country will suffer an imnediate loss of a lot of intellectual capability as talented people bailout of there.

[OliverQ]

6. Disgusting.

UK citizens fell for Russian propaganda too. The entire Western world is collapsing.

[dewsgirl]

35. Indeed.😔

[smirkymonkey]

48. I regret to say that is exactly how I am feeling right now.

Why is the voting public so willing to fall for this propaganda? My first instinct would be lack of a decent education, but still, don't any of them think for themselves?

[Newest Reality]

51. I concur

I concur with your statement.

It looks like, for the USA and UK, this has been a long time coming and it's not just a sudden development. It really symbolizes a trend and the propaganda has played into that result. I think Russia is just capitalizing on it and manipulating the inevitable results. They have a power game to play along with China here.

[Blue_true]

77. When Great Britain was hitting the flush pre-EU entry,

I was a teen that felt sorry for them. Not now, they brought what is about to happen on themselves and deserve every bit of ill fortune that comes their way. Racism is behind Brexit pure and simple, people need to stop talking about Russia taking advantage of that fact and face the real problem in the face.

[roamer65]

8. If this is correct, Scotland will leave the UK.

55 seats for the SNP is a “fuck you, we’re leaving” to England.

[brooklynite]

12. And most of those out of the Labour losses

[Salviati]

15. And I wonder what the prospects of Irish reunification are going to look like.

My guess is that within 10 years we'll see both, and within 20 years Lesser Britain will be asking to get back into the EU.

[Falcata]

39. Slim to none

Protestants in the North don't want to become a minority in the Catholic Republic.

[OnDoutside]

42. Those of us in the South aren't too enamoured with the idea either. That said it's too simplistic to

say Protestant North and Catholic South. For example, in 1980, 85% of people went to Mass every week, that's down to about 30%, and most of those are 50+. Times are changing in the South, gay marriage, abortion and divorce have all happened in the last 20+ years.

[roamer65]

45. People of Northern Ireland will join the Irish Republic to stay in a prosperous EU.

Scotland will leave also to stay in the EU.

England will be fucked when outside of the EU.

[Blue_true]

82. I doubt Northern Ireland leave Great Britain.

The Prostestants are politically dominant there. Plus, Johnson carved out a deal where NI stays part of the EU's customs union, which is enormous for NI because that means it can act as the English speaking EU link with Ireland (though Scitland likely will vote to leave Great Britain and rejoin the EU).

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. It would mean Scotland would want to leave the UK

but the Tories will refuse to hold another referendum. It could end up in a Catalonia situation, with the regional government trying to hold a referendum that the national government says is invalid.

[roamer65]

50. Westminster has no say in Scottish independence.

It is up for the Scots to decide alone.

[muriel_volestrangler]

60. That's a valid ethical position, but it's not part of the law of the land

The Westminster parliament holds the power over those matters.

[roamer65]

81. Then conflict there shall be...

The EU will also back Scottish independence.

[muriel_volestrangler]

84. No, the EU won't touch it with a bargepole

because Spain would throw a shitfit. And they'll still be a member, while the UK (including Scotland) won't. Which means (a) the EU has no part in it (b) its only motive will be to stay out of it, even in terms of who they 'back'.

There'll be plenty of rhetoric, but it's nowhere near a rebellion to undo the 1707 Act of Union. This is not Yugoslavia.

[roamer65]

97. The UK is toast.

Get ready for it.

English PM Boris Johnson.

[tritsofme]

98. The U.K. won't be part of the EU in a few weeks.

And even if they were, read about Catalonia and understand how the EU would react to unauthorized independence referendums.

[roamer65]

107. SNP Leader Nicola Sturgeon just spoke.

English PM Boris Johnson has no right to determine Scottish EU membership and no right to determine Scotland’s future.

She’s 100 percent right.

[tritsofme]

108. She may well be right, but Johnson's Parliament in Westminster will decide if there is a new

referendum in Scotland.

[roamer65]

112. Scotland will hold it anyway.

I fully support the independence of Scotland.

It is time for them to leave the UK.

[tritsofme]

114. Again, see Catalonia. It will be nasty.

[roamer65]

118. Yes it will.

Secession is never easy.

[The Valley Below]

11. Time for Jeremy Corbyn to go away!

He has absolutely destroyed the Labour Party.

If Labour had sane leadership the results would have been flipped.

[scheming daemons]

25. Jeremy Corbyn is to UK what Bernie Sanders is to US.

We need to take tonight as a warning.

[11cents]

34. I'm not a Bernie fan. But he's incomparably better than Corbyn.

The latter is a far-left sectarian who's surrounded himself with aides who have openly described themselves as Stalinists.

[VarryOn]

53. Ithink there is some truth to what you say...

But Corbyn is quite despicable. Bernie, with all his flaws, is no way comparable. For instance, I think he's a person. Corbyn not so much.

The certain rejection of Nritish voters of Labour right now is a rejection of Corbyn and not progressive policies. Get rid of Corbyn and Labour's back in the game

[tritsofme]

99. I'm no Sanders fan, but Corbyn is a far more odious figure.

Not even close.

[Azathoth]

116. Nah, he's worse than Bernie

Bernie is about strengthening social security and providing universal health insurance.

Corbyn is about cozying up to revolutionary socialist regimes, accomodating leftwing antisemites within his party, and handwaving vaguely about Brexit (since he's really a closet Brexiteer).

The point about the risks of going too far left in a general election is valid, but Corbyn is toxic in a way that Bernie isn't.

[BooScout]

67. +1

[tman]

13. Anyone who lives in the UK saw this coming a mile off.

Corbyn was always a terrible leader who lost against an extremely unpopular conservative government.

Maybe it's time to wake up.

[brooklynite]

16. You mean political parties should consider electability and not just ideology?

[FakeNoose]

28. +1 Hah! good one!

[Docreed2003]

46. +1

[Takket]

68. if they don't... the voters will

[uponit7771]

70. +1

[hughee99]

120. People don't lose elections because they're bad leaders,

Or bad candidates, they lose because people we don’t like trick the voters.

[tenderfoot]

14. I see the Tories here are happy...

[Joe941]

21. This is an absolute TROUNCING by the conservatives...

how did this happen?

[brooklynite]

22. Johnson doesn't need DUP so he doesn't need to worry about the Irish Backstop...

He has an outright majority and can pass his version of the Brexit deal

[abqtommy]

23. sPutin and his hackers are the Tories' best friends.

[GoCubsGo]

24. Good luck, UK.

You are going to need it.

[octoberlib]

27. Corbyn needs to go. He's destroying the Labour party

[Mz Pip]

111. This

Corbyn is a disaster.

[Mariana]

113. I think you should use past tense.

He's destroyed the Labour Party.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

29. The lying plutocrats win again. Everyday UK folks will regret this day.

Torys will use this majority to further dismantle the UK state and sell off any remaining pieces.

Even the Queen had better watch her back.....

[grossproffit]

31. Corbyn is awful. He should have been gone years ago.

[Initech]

33. Fuck!!!!!

[OliverQ]

38. This tells me Dems might lose with a far left candidate like Bernie.

It does not bode well for the US fixing our right-wing problem.

[OrlandoDem2]

43. This X 1000. Trump cannot label Biden a socialist. Corbyn was out of the mainstream in England.

Our Democratic Party and Democratic voters must learn from this.

[dustyscamp]

52. We better learn. This could be America's last chance

[Joe941]

47. I'd suggest it means Biden may cause us to lose.

[uponit7771]

72. ? Biden more popular here than Corbin in UK

[Joe941]

73. Well we "defeated" Bernie in 2016 and that played out well didnt it?

[uponit7771]

76. With or without the Russians cheating in favor of Trump? I'm with Carter

[Codeine]

78. You're as transparent as ever.

Not fooling anyone.

[smirkymonkey]

49. +1000

[RhodeIslandOne]

54. The world wants to burn itself to the ground

I hate to say it, this is a preview of next November.

[scheming daemons]

55. Only if we nominate Bernie or Liz

If we nominate Biden, Klobuchar, or even Buttigieg.... Trump will lose.

[RhodeIslandOne]

56. The Russians will smear them all

And then the hackers will do the rest.

[scheming daemons]

59. Yes, they will... but we don't have to make it easier for them

[OliverQ]

64. Biden isn't going to win when endless

ads talk about how corrupt he is related to Ukraine. Biden will end up just like Hillary.

[Joe941]

75. I heard that in 2016. It's actually more like if we elect someone besides...

Bernie we will lose.

[AncientGeezer]

83. You'll be POTUS before Sanders....

[tman]

94. I believe that.

[octoberlib]

57. I feel bad for them.

Link to tweet

No the election was overwhelmingly down to one issue - Jeremy Corbyn. Anyone who canvassed can tell you that

[OliverQ]

62. I'm ready to give up.

It seems like the majority of the world wants to live under authoritarianism. Right-wing fascists keep winning all over the place.

[Demonaut]

110. yeah, give up

[Takket]

92. this should serve as a warning...........

That drumpf can win here, and do so easily.

I'm posting this to MYSELF more than anyone else.

I'm just blown away that after.................

The Brexit campaign was revealed to be backed by Cambridge Analytical and Russian trolls

The public was educated that they, frankly, did not even know what Brexit was when they voted for it.

It has been shown over and over again that Brexit is going to destroy the UK's economy.

Boris Johnson is a laughing stock over there.

They STILL went Tory... and overwhelmingly!!!!!!!!

[DFW]

95. This should be a lesson, first and foremost to Labour

This election should have been a cakewalk for Labour.

About the only way the Tories were going to walk with this was if Labour were to nominate an anti-semitic, dour, rigid ideologue as their leader. Otherwise, it was a slam-dunk for Labour. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Johnson was about as unappealing a candidate as the Tories have offered in my lifetime.

WTF was Labour thinking to put forward such an uninspiring, nasty grouch as their front man? They might as well have said "we give up" from the beginning, and spared the UK the cost of an election.

[brooklynite]

96. "I couldn't in all conscience vote for Labour while they have Jeremy Corbyn as Leader"

BBC interviewing three traditional Labour voters -- two of them Black -- who voted Conservative.

"On the key policy of the day (Brexit) he does not have a position"

[roamer65]

100. The SNP is cleaning up in Scotland.

13 seats for SNP...none for the others so far.

[roamer65]

102. 16 seats now.

[MFM008]

101. Labor needs

Another leader.

[roamer65]

103. The result of this election: English PM Boris Johnson.

The UK be extremely polarized.

[VarryOn]

105. While I understand polls were showing a Tory win...

None were projecting this.

Too many are lying to pollster. I think it’s happening here too. Admittedly, I do the same.

Given some believe the Brexit vote was a harbinger to our 2016 debacle, I hope this one doesn’t portend November pain.

[brooklynite]

106. Keep in mind that all the UK polling you saw was national...

...and the result are tallied by Parliamentary District.

[Demonaut]

109. internal rot of labor, or the appearance of

[Azathoth]

115. Corbyn has ended the Labour Party n/t

[Recursion]

117. People on the side of The People

People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people.

As soon as you saw people as things to be measured, they didn't measure up. What would run through the streets soon enough wouldn't be a revolution or a riot. It'd be people who were frightened and panicking. It was what happened when the machinery of city life faltered, the wheels stopped turning and all the little rules broke down. And when that happened, humans were worse than sheep. Sheep just ran; they didn't try to bite the sheep next to them.

-- Terry Pratchett

[AlexSFCA]

126. it's a lesson for us - dont let BS poison our party

if BS or possibly Warren is a nominee then not only we will lose to trump but we’ll lose senate, lose in local and state elections. We may need to coalesce around Biden asap to build strong coalition against trump. The primary is damaging us.

[Polybius]

133. When do the new seatholders take office?

Is it immediately, or a couple of months after the election like here in the US?