Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:13 AM

evertonfc (1,713 posts)

No real correlation with British election

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I see few similarities with the British election and ours. Different dynamics. First of all- Corbyn may have been the worst, most polarizing and to be fair, most arrogant unlikable candidate EVER. He was going to lose-big. He was propped up by activists. The kind that don't care about winning elections but want a platform to rail. Add Brexit and there is nothing similar to America in 2020. I support Biden but none of our candidates would lose in such dramatic fashion. To be honest, we only have about 8 states in play- no matter the candidate. Period. Policy be damned. There are literally only 8, maybe 9 states that are movable. After talking to several British friends the last week and hearing of the absolute hatred of Corbyn across the board, they or myself are not surprised. Corbyn and the added effect of Brexit crested the mess in Britain not a policy position. I don't think Bernie or Warren would win but they would never lose in a fashion we saw in Britian

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10 replies	Author	Time	Post
No real correlation with British election (Original post)	evertonfc	Dec 2019	OP
A lot of my Brit friends....	Happy Hoosier	Dec 2019	#1
Russian Propaganda	Johnny2X2X	Dec 2019	#2
+1. Putin is achieving his goals through useful idiots	dalton99a	Dec 2019	#4
Their mistake was not realizing it was all about Brexit	Bradshaw3	Dec 2019	#3
+1	moondust	Dec 2019	#5
I still don't get why Labour	edhopper	Dec 2019	#6
No shit. The worst showing since 1935	dalton99a	Dec 2019	#7
People	evertonfc	Dec 2019	#8
B Clinton won on the issue of the day	delisen	Dec 2019	#9
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING	Omaha Steve	Dec 2019	#10

Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:16 AM

Happy Hoosier (4,825 posts)

1. A lot of my Brit friends....

... have said that Corbyn really doomed Labour. Not even most Labour voters like Corbyn. Hopefully this embarrassing shellacking with force Labour to reckon with toxic elements in the party. Until then, the UK is headed for more shitty Tory policies, and maybe the loss of Scotland and maybe even Northern Ireland.

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:20 AM

Johnny2X2X (15,767 posts)

2. Russian Propaganda

The role the Russians play now in both of our elections is massive.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:32 AM

dalton99a (74,328 posts)

4. +1. Putin is achieving his goals through useful idiots

without firing a shot

“We will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade the US. We will destroy you from within.” - Nikita Khrushchev

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:28 AM

Bradshaw3 (6,889 posts)

3. Their mistake was not realizing it was all about Brexit

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/boris-johnson-tory-conservatives-landslide-u-k-election-brexit-corbyn-hould-democrats-be-worried.html

Brexit was not an "added effect" it was what the election was all about. Yes, Corbyn was terrible but there is no correlation between him and Warren.

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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:35 AM

moondust (19,025 posts)

5. +1

Endless Brexit fatigue.

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:38 AM

edhopper (30,637 posts)

6. I still don't get why Labour

kept Corbyn as their leader?

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Response to edhopper (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:42 AM

dalton99a (74,328 posts)

7. No shit. The worst showing since 1935

When Corbyn was elected Labour leader four years ago, he was often compared to Michael Foot, who led the party to a crushing defeat in 1983 against Margaret Thatcher. Back then, Foot’s leftwing manifesto was described as “the longest suicide note in history.” Corbyn’s manifesto was nearly three times as long, and even less successful: he has led Labour to its worst showing since 1935. “In the past hundred years no opposition has lost seats after 9 years in opposition. None,” observed former Labour adviser Torsten Bell.

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 11:45 AM

evertonfc (1,713 posts)

8. People

underestimate the benefit of personality in a GE. Bill Clinton and Obama are perfect examples. We assume people vote on policy issues. Most don't.

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:27 PM

delisen (5,813 posts)

9. B Clinton won on the issue of the day

It was the economy and it was the battlecry of the campaign. They hammered Bush on it.

Bush did not address the faltering economy and he lost.

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 10:59 PM

Omaha Steve (92,480 posts)

10. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING

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