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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere is a thought to ponder.
With everything tRump has done, his core stays with him, about 40%. At least that is what the polls keep saying. Fact is, I don't believe them anymore than I believe his twitter feed or FB supporters. We know for a fact that we have bots galore thanks to Russia's interference.
I don't believe his poll numbers due to bots. I do not believe his rallies due to paid trolls, and performance art by lousy actors. I will never believe what a Repuke has to say or the manufactured, choreographed in sync outrage they display.
The Repukes are in lock step with Russia. tRump, at the cost of our Constitutional laws, is being defended by each and everyone of them. If this had been Obama or Hillary they would have been tarred and feathered and locked in prison.
Kath2
(3,054 posts)It galls me to death that Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote by about 3 million.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)to anyone including pollsters?
I believe as sure as I am sitting here it wont matter anyway, putin has a plan for us involving our power grids...
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)They where to confirm one of his idiots, anyway there were short power outages in two different chambers on live TV, anytime the power grid comes up I think of this, I believe it was a warning....
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)Yet some will say I am out of my mind...sigh
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)blm
(112,919 posts)Now I rarely see Trump stickers.
sheshe2
(83,328 posts)It is bought and paid for fake news.
Propaganda.
blm
(112,919 posts)The idea that a significant number of them would even entertain the thought of voting for Trump is ludicrous.
murielm99
(30,656 posts)They are great examples of bothsiderism.
Dan Rather cautioned against interviewing all those people in rural coffee shops. They don't represent that many voters. I know, because I live in a rural area. My husband goes to those coffee shops and argues with the usual Magats. Sometimes I go, too. My husband has a friend who can argue circles around Magats. Sometimes when they see his truck coming, some of them get up and leave. They can't stand up to his Democratic truth.
sheshe2
(83,328 posts)Kudos to your husband, his friend and to yourself Muriel for taking them on!
Salviati
(6,002 posts)Is that we should not overestimate the likelihood of someone losing an election just because they are a ridiculous buffoon. I don't care if the polls say that we're up by 90%, we should be fighting like we're 5 points down until the very end.
Don't take anything for granted.
Beartracks
(12,761 posts)captain queeg
(10,035 posts)I think you are actually. The rethugs are masters at Propoganda these days. But there are plenty of trumpers out there
trof
(54,255 posts)erronis
(14,944 posts)the same way the "Fart of the Deal" was a best-seller.
All that they've done is learn how to play the polls. Sometimes actually influence the hoi-polloi but usually just spectacles.
spanone
(135,632 posts)bucolic_frolic
(42,663 posts)Somebody important posted on Twitter today this is now an espionage thing. He thought Rudy is being seeded with Russian manufactured false information which will be presented to Congress as the new facts on Biden.
Reading John le Carre's "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" this weekend. (I urge you all to indulge.) Though fiction, lots to be learned. GOP Congress is "inside out" - working for and being run by the other side - Russia. America is no longer in control of its own public discourse. So much propaganda being used to defend Trump's GOP while undermining our Constitution. Our system of laws is melting.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,786 posts)sheshe2
(83,328 posts)Closer than the facts they present as truth. False narratives everywhere, Fake polls and yes their slights of hand.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)bucolic_frolic
(42,663 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)2naSalit
(86,048 posts)that was rudy's errand as well as the multipurpose lavrov visit. And barr was just over there coordinating. Not only that, Ukraine is a great conduit for passing info and materials so they have been at this for a while. I also suspect a couple of things that our Speaker may have up her sleeves as well as some in the Senate. I can't really articulate what I think about them right now but I have a couple hunches.
But that doesn't mean I'm not scared.
dlk
(11,432 posts)Much depends on the statistical significance of the sample. In reality, polls can be made to say anything.
Joinfortmill
(14,237 posts)I think his numbers are inflated.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)He can absolutely positively win with 45. Out-from-under-a -rockers - (saw plenty at 2016 polls ) an add-in factor. Add 2-3 points or more for them.
Our only hope is that he does something before Nov that is worse than what NP thought was worse than the Mueller findings.
Or, perhaps the House adds in all the horrible, impeachable stuff he did before Ukraine? Too late? Just amazing that we are allowing them to zero in on a specific event ( as horrible and unconstitutional as it was) instead of listing a list of a hundred crimes he's committed since day one. No one is listening anyway...might as well pile it on! JHC - two counts-. He's taking that like a victory.
MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)They're all for cutting Obamacare and welfare, even though a lot of them receive OHP, SNAP and WIC... The ignorance is astounding. Hell, some believed until last week that Hillary Clinton was running for president, but I get that, considering some of the shit polls have Clinton in them! Unfortunately, these people are not unique to my state. Like most blue states, metro areas are blue, but rural bright red. Tuesday there are impeachment protests, and I'm going to be on a downtown corner with an impeachment sign, in a very red county.
sheshe2
(83,328 posts)I have one 15 minutes away and I can't even make that one. Homecare for my mom 24/7. I can't go and it hurts me that I cannot.
MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)I take care of my 76 y/o sister and three other clients. I didn't know how immense the need for help was, until I became certified.
Love, dignity and safety...
It's so hard some days, because you never know what to expect with the dementia or the varying physical limitations. One of my clients is blind... Some nights I don't sleep because I worry for them.
Take care, and stay strong. You and your mom are in my prayers tonight... If that's okay?
sheshe2
(83,328 posts)Yes, the prayers are okay.
MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)sheshe2
(83,328 posts)wnylib
(21,146 posts)what I learned years ago about Spanish history. The same kind of divide preceded the Spanish Civil War. Families were divided. One side would not socialize with or even speak to the other. Heated verbal arguments in public and private. Conservative monarchists vs progressive supporters of a republic. The Church sided with the monarchists. Fascist nationalism vs democracy.
Unfortunately, the nationalists won. Not until the death of Franco in the 1970's did Spain have a republic under a constitutional monarchy.
JoeOtterbein
(7,697 posts)...rigged. We could be next. Again?
Tumbulu
(6,267 posts)Because I live and work in red country and these people still love him and the reason that they voted for him was to make librels go crazy. And they are done with the federal government. They voted him in to destroy the government. And they are very pleased.
The red states via the Senate and the electoral college have disproportionally greater power.
I am sad to say that I do not see them giving up any of their power. And it appears to me that their goals are being realized.
I knew Trump would win when the Brexit vote occurred, as did my other friends living in red states. It was only those who live in urban areas who have no idea of the power of Rush Limbaugh and friends over the psyches of the rural areas and thus the majority in the Senate.
Sorry, just my opinion.
doc03
(35,148 posts)the rust belt. Nobody believed us in 2016. I heard about this Blue Wall all the time and the snarky comment your concern is noted.
dustyscamp
(2,221 posts)If we do we will lose.
eallen
(2,951 posts)First, it would require allocating a significant fraction of phone numbers to bots. I doubt that is the case. Bots can spoof the number for outgoing calls. But not for incoming.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,483 posts)Good choice of words, SheShe2. True of every Rethug I've encountered for many years when engaged in almost any conversation.
Much of our nation needs a thorough infusion of American and world history, sociology, political and physical science. Oh, if only we could do that over night!
We must somehow burst that massive, closed right-wing thought bubble/echo chamber to stop its spread......
sheshe2
(83,328 posts)Here is the display.
"A howler monkey weighs little more than a pug but can roar as loud as a tiger. Researchers at Cambridge University have found a surprising trade-off across howler species: the louder a males roar, the smaller his reproductive organs. His testicles, to be specific."
I posted it here and it says a lot..
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212783571
We Need To Vote.
Thank you.
czarjak
(11,191 posts)doc03
(35,148 posts)Trump supporters that are wavering in the least.
live love laugh
(13,000 posts)do believe it. I despair at the constant disinformation that they unthinkingly spew. And these are Democrats. *sigh*
ScratchCat
(1,957 posts)Trump's "base" didn't elect him. His "base" isn't large enough to elect anyone nationally. Rank and file Republicans who were brainwashed by two decades of RW talk show bullshit voted for Trump to stop who they believe to be Satan's Spawn from becoming President. While his "base" may be all kinds of happy that he is "pissing off liberals", the rank/file type are embarrassed to the core.
Not one person in Trump's "base" needs to abandon him. Every single one can go vote for him again. If the tens of millions of everyday Republicans who wanted someone else as the nominee in 2016 don't all go vote again, its not even a close election. He wouldn't have won in 2016 if Obama voters in three States would have voted for Clinton instead of staying home or voting for Stein.