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pbmus

(12,418 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 06:29 PM Dec 2019

Seth Abramson...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1207049551338786816.html


BREAKING (MSNBC): U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) Floats Idea of House Not Sending Articles of Impeachment to Senate Unless GOP Agrees to Actual Trial*

* = I increasingly concur with this sentiment.

1/ Imagine how *angry* Trump would be if he never got his "show-trial exoneration" because he refused to let his own officials testify under circumstances in which he's *sworn* that no one could possibly have damning evidence against him*. OK, sorry then, no Senate trial for you.

2/ As I said earlier today: you don't negotiate over *how many punches in the face you're going to take*; you *exit the ring*. If the Senate refuses to have a trial, there's no one and nothing for House Democrats to hand over the articles of impeachment to. It's that simple, now.

3/ Investigations are still ongoing. Court proceedings are still ongoing. Moderate GOP senators have more or less made clear that they don't want a trial. OK then, you don't get the articles. The investigations and court proceedings will continue. It's a very reasonable position.

4/ Mitch McConnell may not realize it right now, but for all that he thinks he's negotiating with Trump or Schumer right now and has the upper hand in those negotiations he is not and he doesn't.

Nancy Pelosi has and controls the articles. As of tomorrow *she* has all the power.

5/ This is a very fair question. I'd answer this way: I am not saying and do not support the articles being held back forever. I think Pelosi and McConnell should negotiate for a few weeks or months and the investigations should, in the meantime, continue.
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Seth Abramson... (Original Post) pbmus Dec 2019 OP
Hail Van Hollen! Sogo Dec 2019 #1
I am liking this idea too. I think it is strong. Lexee Dec 2019 #2
Me 2, fight fire with fire onetexan Dec 2019 #11
Rule of law, ethics, integrity, or procedure doesn't seen to faze Republicans. Lexee Dec 2019 #12
this!* splunge63 Dec 2019 #3
I like that idea. avebury Dec 2019 #4
We need to use our bargaining power to get a fair shake. world wide wally Dec 2019 #5
Every time I read another explanation as to why this is a good idea democrank Dec 2019 #6
I agree! Let Trump twist slowly, slowly in the wind. FuzzyRabbit Dec 2019 #7
Not sending impeachment to Senate ill be slow-needling him for sure, and drive him utterly crazy. onetexan Dec 2019 #8
Yoy Stand Up To A Bully DallasNE Dec 2019 #9
We have rules and are held to the rules. The bully has none. Lexee Dec 2019 #14
with 71% gibraltar72 Dec 2019 #10
Great post. Continue to investigate. That will infuriate Shitler. Pepsidog Dec 2019 #13
Given that the senate is majority republicans, this sounds smart. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2019 #15
the threat of it makes a good bargaining chip Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #16
Reasonable and hopeful.. hate to see turtle make a mockery of this important hearing Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #17
If Mitch McConnell could block hearings on Merrick Garland for 11 months... AdamGG Dec 2019 #18
I trust Nancy's judgment on this and stand by whatever decision she makes. nt iluvtennis Dec 2019 #19
If what you are saying is, she has already made up her mind... pbmus Dec 2019 #20

onetexan

(12,994 posts)
11. Me 2, fight fire with fire
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 08:10 PM
Dec 2019

Dont give the repugs & the Idiot a chance to publicize their charade & use it to their advantage.

 

Lexee

(377 posts)
12. Rule of law, ethics, integrity, or procedure doesn't seen to faze Republicans.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 08:13 PM
Dec 2019

So many obstacles.

avebury

(10,946 posts)
4. I like that idea.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 06:51 PM
Dec 2019

If the Republicans refuse to conduct a serious trial the House Democrats should vote for impeachment, throw the documents in a secure safe and continue their investigations. Trump Would remained an impeached President, stuck in limbo without a trial. Perhaps the Democrats will come up with more charges.

democrank

(11,052 posts)
6. Every time I read another explanation as to why this is a good idea
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 07:08 PM
Dec 2019

I agree more and more. Take away some of Trump’s poor-me-power and some of McConnell’s and Graham’s as well.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,958 posts)
7. I agree! Let Trump twist slowly, slowly in the wind.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 07:13 PM
Dec 2019

It will drive him crazy. Even crazier than he already is if that's possible.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
9. Yoy Stand Up To A Bully
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 07:57 PM
Dec 2019

That is not standing up so it would give Trump free reign to do whatever he pleases. Show me where I am wrong.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
15. Given that the senate is majority republicans, this sounds smart.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 08:25 PM
Dec 2019

Senate trial would definitely be FAKE.

I hope Nancy’s thinking along the same line.

AdamGG

(1,276 posts)
18. If Mitch McConnell could block hearings on Merrick Garland for 11 months...
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 09:00 PM
Dec 2019

then holding the impeachment in the House to gather additional evidence for the next year should be a legislative walk in the park.

Even if the Republicans agree to hold a trial in the Senate, I wouldn't believe them. McConnell, Graham et al have made abundantly clear how he will vote before hearing the evidence. Fuck them. Let this continue to simmer as additional evidence gets added to the stew.

pbmus

(12,418 posts)
20. If what you are saying is, she has already made up her mind...
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 09:16 PM
Dec 2019

And you have any input on her decision, I would implore you to try to forward this rationale due to our loss of democracy...

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