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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1207049551338786816.htmlBREAKING (MSNBC): U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) Floats Idea of House Not Sending Articles of Impeachment to Senate Unless GOP Agrees to Actual Trial*
* = I increasingly concur with this sentiment.
1/ Imagine how *angry* Trump would be if he never got his "show-trial exoneration" because he refused to let his own officials testify under circumstances in which he's *sworn* that no one could possibly have damning evidence against him*. OK, sorry then, no Senate trial for you.
2/ As I said earlier today: you don't negotiate over *how many punches in the face you're going to take*; you *exit the ring*. If the Senate refuses to have a trial, there's no one and nothing for House Democrats to hand over the articles of impeachment to. It's that simple, now.
3/ Investigations are still ongoing. Court proceedings are still ongoing. Moderate GOP senators have more or less made clear that they don't want a trial. OK then, you don't get the articles. The investigations and court proceedings will continue. It's a very reasonable position.
4/ Mitch McConnell may not realize it right now, but for all that he thinks he's negotiating with Trump or Schumer right now and has the upper hand in those negotiations he is not and he doesn't.
Nancy Pelosi has and controls the articles. As of tomorrow *she* has all the power.
5/ This is a very fair question. I'd answer this way: I am not saying and do not support the articles being held back forever. I think Pelosi and McConnell should negotiate for a few weeks or months and the investigations should, in the meantime, continue.
Sogo
(4,967 posts)Lexee
(377 posts)onetexan
(12,994 posts)Dont give the repugs & the Idiot a chance to publicize their charade & use it to their advantage.
Lexee
(377 posts)So many obstacles.
avebury
(10,946 posts)If the Republicans refuse to conduct a serious trial the House Democrats should vote for impeachment, throw the documents in a secure safe and continue their investigations. Trump Would remained an impeached President, stuck in limbo without a trial. Perhaps the Democrats will come up with more charges.
world wide wally
(21,719 posts)Well, at least a "shake"
democrank
(11,052 posts)I agree more and more. Take away some of Trumps poor-me-power and some of McConnells and Grahams as well.
FuzzyRabbit
(1,958 posts)It will drive him crazy. Even crazier than he already is if that's possible.
onetexan
(12,994 posts)DallasNE
(7,392 posts)That is not standing up so it would give Trump free reign to do whatever he pleases. Show me where I am wrong.
Lexee
(377 posts)We have a plan for that.
gibraltar72
(7,486 posts)saying they want to hear from witnesses why not wait??
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Senate trial would definitely be FAKE.
I hope Nancys thinking along the same line.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,041 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)AdamGG
(1,276 posts)then holding the impeachment in the House to gather additional evidence for the next year should be a legislative walk in the park.
Even if the Republicans agree to hold a trial in the Senate, I wouldn't believe them. McConnell, Graham et al have made abundantly clear how he will vote before hearing the evidence. Fuck them. Let this continue to simmer as additional evidence gets added to the stew.
iluvtennis
(19,758 posts)pbmus
(12,418 posts)And you have any input on her decision, I would implore you to try to forward this rationale due to our loss of democracy...