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I don't think an impeached President should give the State of the Union Address. (Original Post) machI Dec 2019 OP
Or appoint anybody tazkcmo Dec 2019 #1
Did you know that Clinton gave a state of the union while his Senate trial was ongoing? onenote Dec 2019 #2
The Speaker of the House sets the rules. machI Dec 2019 #3
Not going to happen. onenote Dec 2019 #5
Not exactly FBaggins Dec 2019 #8
Have him send a letter...enter it into the record but don't evern read it on the floor /nt sdfernando Dec 2019 #14
Unfortunately, that isn't within our power FBaggins Dec 2019 #16
Not in the Senate chamber Jose Garcia Dec 2019 #22
I want to hear the idiot make a fool of himself. morningglory Dec 2019 #4
Gump does that literally every time he opens his mouth. John Fante Dec 2019 #6
+1000 LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2019 #9
This is the better option. Even with a script, he won't be able to do it without making a mess. nt crickets Dec 2019 #21
Not an option Raven123 Dec 2019 #7
And what does it say about appointing supreme court justices XRubicon Dec 2019 #10
All she can do is keep him from giving it in the House chamber onenote Dec 2019 #11
A key difference FBaggins Dec 2019 #17
It does not have to be in the form of a speech Wednesdays Dec 2019 #18
I remember when I used to say anything that popped into my head. Codeine Dec 2019 #12
Frequent problem around these parts - at all ages empedocles Dec 2019 #32
Wow, I hadn't thought about that. tanyev Dec 2019 #13
I want to see how he acts on Nancy Pelosi's turf, with her sitting behind him. 😂 TheBlackAdder Dec 2019 #15
I totally agree with you. Pelosi needs to hold that back too, until we start seeing a sincere coti Dec 2019 #19
You know, some people say a President shouldn't get a SOTU address in the last year of his term coti Dec 2019 #20
"some people"? Have some links so we can assess who these some people are? onenote Dec 2019 #29
i'm not watching it orleans Dec 2019 #23
Oh, I want him to make that speech. It can only hurt him. That's a good thing. NT Progressive Jones Dec 2019 #24
Give him more rope to hang himself. roamer65 Dec 2019 #25
I am not seriously espousing this tack ... NanceGreggs Dec 2019 #26
Tell him to submit his report to Congress in writing and by courier. dalton99a Dec 2019 #27
and then he'll read it at a rally at a big arena with adoring supporters onenote Dec 2019 #28
put a few ball bearings on the podium and watch him go full tilt bogart. rampartc Dec 2019 #30
He'll give his speech, and he'll make it a 45 minute-long whine about Democrats persecuting him DFW Dec 2019 #31

onenote

(42,609 posts)
2. Did you know that Clinton gave a state of the union while his Senate trial was ongoing?
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 06:43 PM
Dec 2019

He was impeached on December 19, 1998 and his trial began on January 7, 1999 and was not concluded until February 12. He gave his state of the union address on January 19, 1999.


onenote

(42,609 posts)
5. Not going to happen.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 06:49 PM
Dec 2019

Plus, he'd be thrilled to have an excuse not to give it in the House chamber and instead deliver it in an arena filled with his adoring supporters.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
8. Not exactly
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 06:54 PM
Dec 2019

She controls the House chamber where the address is traditionally given.

The requirement is that the President "shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient". He doesn't have to give a speech at all (it could be a letter)... but if it's a speech he could do it anywhere he wants (except for the House of course).

Remember that this was actually floated this past January. Pelosi considered disinviting him due to the government shutdown.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
16. Unfortunately, that isn't within our power
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:52 PM
Dec 2019

We can keep him fro delivering the speech on the floor... but we can’t keep him from giving it at all.

9. +1000
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 06:58 PM
Dec 2019

It should be a speech for the history books -- an impeached narcissistic president going on and on about how he wasn't really impeached, etc.

Raven123

(4,792 posts)
7. Not an option
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 06:51 PM
Dec 2019

Article 2 Section 3: “ He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;”

You can quibble over the details and whether he should be permitted to speak on the floor of Congress, but I don’t think that is a battle worth having

XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
10. And what does it say about appointing supreme court justices
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:00 PM
Dec 2019

I dont think it says anything about letting the voters decide if it's the last year of the president's term.

So, she should let the voters decide if he should give a sotu.

onenote

(42,609 posts)
11. All she can do is keep him from giving it in the House chamber
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:05 PM
Dec 2019

He could -- and probably would happily -- rent out an arena and give it there to a crowd of adoring Magats with full coverage from all of the news media.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
17. A key difference
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:18 PM
Dec 2019

The Senate has the power to reject or even ignore a nominee. They shouldn’t, but it’s in their power and has been done by parties. The House doesn’t have the power to say that the president can’t deliver what the constitution requires.

One is an abuse of discretion ... the other is a lack of it.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
12. I remember when I used to say anything that popped into my head.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:22 PM
Dec 2019

Granted, I was five or six at the time, but I still remember.

tanyev

(42,523 posts)
13. Wow, I hadn't thought about that.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:23 PM
Dec 2019

You know he’ll want to use it for airing all his grievances against the Democrats.

coti

(4,612 posts)
19. I totally agree with you. Pelosi needs to hold that back too, until we start seeing a sincere
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:29 PM
Dec 2019

desire for justice and a respect for facts from the GOP.

coti

(4,612 posts)
20. You know, some people say a President shouldn't get a SOTU address in the last year of his term
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:31 PM
Dec 2019

anyway. Instead, I think the next President should get his/her inaugural and then another SOTU address.

orleans

(34,042 posts)
23. i'm not watching it
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:39 AM
Dec 2019

i'll get the lowdown from the news and from here

i'm not gonna spend part of an evening looking and listening to that asshole

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
26. I am not seriously espousing this tack ...
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:33 AM
Dec 2019

… but I DO fantasize about Nancy introducing the SOTU address the same way Nunes et al characterized the impeachment hearings:

"Welcome to yet another sham of a State of the Union address, where we are again about to be entertained by the Russian-colluding traitor citing his never-ending litany of conspiracy theories about how the ‘deep state’ is trying to bring him down.”

This intro would be followed by Giuliani rushing onstage, waving around his cell-phone, while claiming to have found the ultimate ‘dirt’ on Biden – as he was duly authorized to do by the State Department!

onenote

(42,609 posts)
28. and then he'll read it at a rally at a big arena with adoring supporters
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:29 AM
Dec 2019

In fact, I'm certain he'd love the excuse to do that.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
31. He'll give his speech, and he'll make it a 45 minute-long whine about Democrats persecuting him
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:47 AM
Dec 2019

It'll make the "Checkers" speech seem like a factual lecture on sandstone formations.

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