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babylonsister

(171,057 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:22 PM Dec 2019

Evangelical magazine founded by Billy Graham calls for Trump's removal

https://www.axios.com/christianity-today-evangelicals-supports-impeachment-92956ccb-241c-48d7-bad3-d3e4ddd2d64d.html


Marisa Fernandez
14 mins ago
Evangelical magazine founded by Billy Graham calls for Trump's removal


An editorial published Thursday by Christianity Today, a magazine founded by the late Rev. Billy Graham, called for President Trump's removal from office in the wake of his impeachment, deeming him "grossly immoral."

"We have reserved judgment on Mr. Trump for years now. Some have criticized us for our reserve. But when it comes to condemning the behavior of another, patient charity must come first. ... To use an old cliché, it’s time to call a spade a spade, to say that no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence."


Why it matters: Christianity Today is an influential mainstream magazine for evangelicals, with 4.3 million monthly visitors on its site and hundreds of thousands of print subscribers. President Trump won 81% of the evangelical vote in 2016, a group that makes up about 25% of the electorate, according to the Pew Research Center.

Billy Graham's son, Franklin, is an ardent supporter of President Trump. He told "Axios on HBO" in November that he supports the president because he "defends the faith."


Highlights: The editorial calls Christianity Today's stance a moral choice — similar to how the magazine reacted when former President Bill Clinton was impeached.

"[T]he facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral."

"Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. ... None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character."

"That [Trump] should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments."
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Evangelical magazine founded by Billy Graham calls for Trump's removal (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2019 OP
Didn't see that one coming. TheBlackAdder Dec 2019 #1
4.3 million monthly site visitors empedocles Dec 2019 #2
Nice way to cover your ass, guys. Girard442 Dec 2019 #3
Still, I'll take it. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2019 #15
Holy shit. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2019 #4
Franklin needs to wake up. If Trump defends the faith, I'm missing something. Frustratedlady Dec 2019 #5
They want Pence installed Pantagruel Dec 2019 #6
That's it Lucky Luciano Dec 2019 #16
Yup. This was probably in the playbook 5-6 years ago. Doubt drumpf was aware erronis Dec 2019 #23
Well, thats likely to sting a bit as far as it goes but yonder Dec 2019 #7
I'm waiting for Trump to go on a twitter tirade against the Evangelicals. griffi94 Dec 2019 #22
The link to the CT site works now: pnwmom Dec 2019 #8
Aw, now this is just good fun!! - - and "Christianity Today" has already bolted up to #5 in Leghorn21 Dec 2019 #9
I'm assuming Little Franklin has nothing to do with running Dad's old magazine? regnaD kciN Dec 2019 #10
I am sore amazed Vogon_Glory Dec 2019 #11
Lets see if the rest of the Xtian right follows suit. Xolodno Dec 2019 #12
If it means a President Pence, Wednesdays Dec 2019 #13
That was the plan from the get-go. erronis Dec 2019 #24
Wow! kentuck Dec 2019 #14
Some people are waking up, finally. rickyhall Dec 2019 #17
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Dec 2019 #18
Trump who ridiculed Holy Communion was ok with them until he gets impeached. keithbvadu2 Dec 2019 #19
If he loses zentrum Dec 2019 #20
This is Hugh- but I would've changed "ethical incompetence" to "ethical malice." NBachers Dec 2019 #21
"no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game" Beartracks Dec 2019 #25
Link below benld74 Dec 2019 #26
Franklin enid602 Dec 2019 #27
My jaw is on the floor... wow! liberalla Dec 2019 #28

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
3. Nice way to cover your ass, guys.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:30 PM
Dec 2019

When you could have made a difference, you pulled the covers over your head. Now that a Trump dictatorship is almost a done deal, you find your voice.

Oh, just fuck you.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
5. Franklin needs to wake up. If Trump defends the faith, I'm missing something.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:31 PM
Dec 2019

Franklin never was his father, but I thought he'd surely be smarter than to fall for Trump. But, then....

erronis

(15,241 posts)
23. Yup. This was probably in the playbook 5-6 years ago. Doubt drumpf was aware
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:43 PM
Dec 2019

that he was a throw-away for an even more vacuous stand-in.

yonder

(9,663 posts)
7. Well, thats likely to sting a bit as far as it goes but
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:34 PM
Dec 2019

they would turn right around and endorse a Pence type in a heartbeat.

Still, it's good news and I'm curious to see how pResident Spurfoot will react on his twitter machine. Could be interesting.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
22. I'm waiting for Trump to go on a twitter tirade against the Evangelicals.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:33 PM
Dec 2019

That would very entertaining.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
9. Aw, now this is just good fun!! - - and "Christianity Today" has already bolted up to #5 in
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:42 PM
Dec 2019

twitterville!! - that mean IMF45 will totally see it!!

Haw haw!! Sup Franklin

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
11. I am sore amazed
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:10 PM
Dec 2019

Yet I feel that such an editorial decision is so weird I ought to check for pigs roosting in tree-tops.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
12. Lets see if the rest of the Xtian right follows suit.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:20 PM
Dec 2019

Because lets be honest, they don't want Trump, they want Pence. And a Trump waiting for acquittal, but being prolonged...makes Trump crazy...and crazy doesn't get the religious right what they want.

That's why Mitch wanted a quick trial, longer this goes...the more cracks form. Add to that, Pelosi could have had a long laundry list of articles of impeachment...she allowed only two. Which doesn't help Mitch, he has less to attack.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
17. Some people are waking up, finally.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:57 PM
Dec 2019

Supporting dump compromises their moral stance making them hypocrites who their god doesn't care much for.

keithbvadu2

(36,778 posts)
19. Trump who ridiculed Holy Communion was ok with them until he gets impeached.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:12 PM
Dec 2019

Trump who ridiculed Holy Communion was ok with them until he gets impeached.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
25. "no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game"
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:27 PM
Dec 2019

Well, they certainly waited a long time -- until they had won a good number of those poker hands -- before finally deciding to "call a spade a spade." Apparently, evangelical Christians can only tolerate so much "gross immorality and ethical incompetence" even though Trump's character, ethics, and morality have been so very obvious from the start?

I guess up until they won those political poker hands, these Christians decided Trump's "gross immorality and ethical incompetence" were worth it.

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liberalla

(9,243 posts)
28. My jaw is on the floor... wow!
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:02 AM
Dec 2019

A little (lot) late, but I'm glad to read it now...

I don't think it will make a huge difference, but maybe? Who knows who it may influence...

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