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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:13 PM Dec 2019

The solution to the McConnell/Pelosi impasse is crystal clear and just struck me

I am confident that there would be 51 votes in the senate to throw it to Chief Justice John Roberts to decide if and what witnesses should be called. Throw it to the Chief to decide after hearing arguments from the house managers and Toad's attorneys. It's a gamble but I'm pretty sure Roberts will allow witnesses. That also is a compromise to the GOP position.

So, the deal would be for the senators to take themselves out of the process and allow Roberts to decide, perhaps with a caveat that 51 senators can still overturn his decisions if it is deemed too outrageous somehow.

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PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,812 posts)
1. Why would the Supreme Court get involved?
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:16 PM
Dec 2019

The Constitution only talks about the responsibilities of the House and the Senate in this regard. Which would mean Roberts, even if asked to get involved, can't.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
2. You forget that the chief justice presides over the senate impeachment trial of a POTUS
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:18 PM
Dec 2019

As per the constitution. He is also given the opportunity to make rulings on evidentiary motions, etc., during the trial. He has a choice, he can make the ruling himself or he can take himself out of it and say that the senate must decide on its own. If he decides, it takes 51 votes to overrule his decisions.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
5. Much will depend on what role Roberts chooses to play in this trial...
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:22 PM
Dec 2019

Rehnquist did nothing....and did it well.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,812 posts)
7. Interesting. I hadn't read carefully enough.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:23 PM
Dec 2019

So then the real question is, given that he would preside over the impeachment trial, would he be anything other than a toady to Trump, McConnell, and the rest?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is constitutionally required to be the Judge
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:14 PM
Dec 2019

at the Senate trial of an impeached President. Rehnquist was the Judge at Bill Clinton's trial.

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
3. It's not up to Roberts.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:18 PM
Dec 2019

Besides, it's highly unlikely that any GOP Senators would vote to give up control of the process, so I have no idea where you're getting 51.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
4. Well that should still be our offer
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:20 PM
Dec 2019

If the senate GOP rejects it, then we should never transmit the articles. Making the argument that the judge should decide would resonate with a lot of the public and it is within the senate rules for Roberts to make evidentiary decisions.

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
6. We should offer something that makes no sense?
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:23 PM
Dec 2019

Suggesting something that isn't an option would just make us look like we don't understand the process.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
13. Actually no...the Senate has sole control of how they run the trial if there is 1
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 11:36 PM
Dec 2019

If they don't get the articles there won't be a need for 1

Kablooie

(18,608 posts)
9. That would go against everything Republicans believe
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:42 PM
Dec 2019

Roberts is likely to run the trial with decorum at honesty which is exactly what the Republicans don’t want. Their whole defense is based on chaos and confusion so they need to keep control themselves.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
10. Roberts' role begins when the trial starts
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:54 PM
Dec 2019

And the Rehnquist precedent was to follow Senate rules (and refer many decisions to the full Senate - which can overrule him anyway).

So the proposal boils down to letting the trial begin and trusting that there are three or more Republicans who would insist on a fair process.

Buzz cook

(2,471 posts)
12. The chief Justice's role is real weak.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 11:21 PM
Dec 2019

In each of the previous impeachments the senate overturned the judges rulings routinely.

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