I think we're at a turning point

[Stinky The Clown]

Posted in several threads is news of the latest Politico/Morning Consult poll showing 52% of the country favors a trial and removal.

Conservative groups are becoming vocal in their disgust with Trumpism. It is being reported here, in GD, right now. A group of Mormon women are making their views clear. Some measure of GOP women in South Carolina are turning on Trump's main asswiper, Lindsey Graham. National Review's editor Ramesh Ponnuru calls for a trial and removal. The Never Trumpers are no longer quietly in the background. People self-identifying as former Republicans are, like Never Trumpers, making their presence known.

Our job is to make sure this is widely known. That it is okay to own the disgust you feel toward Trump. A PR campaign. An ad campaign. Talking points. Give them a platform. Spread the word. It is safe to come in from the cold.

Even if this doesn't get him removed from office, it will not be good for his reelection.

[Mister Ed]

1. The perception of his weakness is what will cause his support to keep falling away.

And what you propose will help increase that perception.

His worshipers adore him for his perceived strength. As that illusion falls away, and he is left exposed as the pathetic weakling that he really is, his power will crumble.

[Kablooie]

16. You're right. If they smell blood they eat him alive.

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. Tough guy they adore continues to hurt them financially with his

trade wars/tariffs, food stamp cuts and now strict requirements for ssdi/SSI and still they support him because he hates those they hate. As long as that hate continues they're his, weakness doesn't matter. His Deplorables adore him for his racist comments.

[brewens]

2. If the numbers on his approval with the military are accurate, that's good news too.

If he's losing support there, it has to be worse in the general population.

[Zoonart]

3. All are welcome...

[Tennessee Hillbilly]

4. I hope you're right.

But a great deal depends on what happens regarding the Senate trial. There's a lot of uncertainty there.

I think the next 6-8 weeks will be crucial.

[mdbl]

48. I would like to see Schumer, the Dems and some Repubicans band together

and put Mitch Mcconnell and Lindsey Graham on trial too.

[liberalla]

5. When someone (a former drump supporter) finally comes out against him,

I will congratulate and welcome them... and commiserate with them. After all, they've probably been feeling disgust, shame and embarrassment for a good while. I want their new found courage to speak out to be reinforced.

[Orrex]

17. I hate to cite pop culture for precedent, but...

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The Matrix describes "unawakened" people (more or less) as victims but still the enemy, as long as they're still in the grip of the delusion.

Every Trump supporter is an idiot racist fuckhead. Every single one of them. That includes the nice guy who walks his dog, and the woman who brings delicious cupcakes to the church bake sale. Idiot racist fuckheads.

Until they recant.

If they recognize their idiot racist fuckheadedness and truly make a change, then they absolutely deserve another chance.

But as soon as they vote Republican again (and the vast majority will do so), they're idiot racist fuckheads all over again.

[Hotler]

45. I agree. Repugs don't change, it's not in their GOP DNA. If they turn/vote against the orange one

it will be because it will be a trend among their little repug cliques. Once he his gone or dethroned they will go back to their selfishness and racism.

[mdbl]

49. Couldn't have said it better

[uponit7771]

6. Not until you see kgop polls in the 70s for red Don

[Stinky The Clown]

23. That would be an end point. I think this is a turning point.

[MFGsunny]

51. Agree completely.

[Baked Potato]

7. I agree, I think the dominoes are set, just needing a final push

If republicans can be convinced Trump will tank the down ballot races, that will be it for Trump. I agree with the PR operation.

[rickyhall]

8. McTurtle may realize if he continues down the path he's on he could loose his seat, too.

[Buckeyeblue]

9. Who do you think is the one Republican Senator that could start changing minds?

That one person who if they came out in support of removal would start to change minds.

[Volaris]

22. McConnell.

[groundloop]

26. Maybe, Maybe Not

Moscow Mitch certainly controls things in the Senate, but at some point he'll be unable to contain the flood. IF (and that's a huge IF) goper Senators begin to realize they'll lose their seats by continuing to support tRump things will begin to change.

[Buckeyeblue]

30. Who could force his hand?

[Volaris]

38. Only his own declining poll numbers.

I suppose we could offer him complete immunity from any crimes committed lol..

[Buckeyeblue]

39. Probably. Doesn't seem like there is a Republican Senator with the influence who has the backbone

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the LDS Senators who were called out decided to make some noise. I also think there needs to be a major Republican player enter the primary. Just to say hey there are options.

I'm sure all of that is being discussed during the break.

[CaptainTruth]

10. I hope you're right...

[bucolic_frolic]

11. Republicans view this as a Crowning achievement

because if acquitted there will be no limits to what Trump can do.

Democrats are seeking a way to prevent that outcome.

I feel like we're waiting on something, perhaps in the court system, but who knows. The rule of law is on our side which means to me the other guys will make mistakes. Trump hubris may play a part. Anything that ratchets up the stress on these thieves could produce unforced errors.

[wnylib]

12. Ratcheting up the stress, like delaying delivery

of the impeachment articles while negotiating the trial rules. Trump is eager to be acquitted and be donecwith it. Impatience over the delay and trial negotiations could push him into mistakes.

[wnylib]

13. I waiver between thinking we're at a turning

point for a peaceful, legal, and political solution to the Trump problem, or we're on the brink of explosive, hostile confrontations coming to a head.

Feels a bit like reliving the Cuban Missile Crisis, not knowing how it will turn out but hoping for the best.

[bucolic_frolic]

18. The Senate Trial may be necessary to separate

the traitors from the Americans. Some former members of the intelligence community have been reassuring us all along that they've got this, that it might be akin to post-war operation Venona which took decades to unwind. But sometimes it feels like, if that is or was true, it's full of holes now.

[wnylib]

24. Full of holes? How? What holes?

How likely is it that a Senate trial, even with witnesses on Ukraine if they were allowed, would reveal the depth or breadth of Russian infiltration in the US?

[Grokenstein]

14. Towards the end of the first term of the Cheney Presidency...

...you know, the one figureheaded by Dick's bumbling handpuppet Li'l Dub-Dub--the staunchest "independent" neo-cons started turning on Li'l Dub-Dub as well. Here's "Mallard Fillmore" turdbucket Bruce 'DUI' Tinsley accusing him of "spending like a drunken Democrat" because it always has to come back to DEMS BAAAAAAAD. (DemocraticUnderground link)

All these trumpkin assholes feigning a change of heart now will let Dems mop of the mess (again) for a few years...and then the GOP will wave promises of tax-cuts and locking up non-whites under their noses, and most of them will back the Republican (again) as long as he's a flag-happy brutish white male with a loud mouth. In fact, the more brutish, the more they'll love him.

So welcome them, but do not trust them, do not depend on them, and when they offer to "help" tell them to sit down.

[Hortensis]

15. You may be right. We were already a good majority.

Hope he keeps talking about maybe serving extra years in office.

[Kablooie]

19. Having the Christmas break for the import of impeachment to sink in

Is probably a good thing. Pelosi may hold it up longer but this break would happen anyway.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. Yup. Folks will be talking. And that means more people will hear the truth.

The more talking, the more truth wins.

[NBachers]

20. We need a commercial with Trump Zombie Cult Living Deadites "Don't be part of the Trump Zombie Cult"

[Aussie105]

21. Pelosi needs to:

1. Keep asking Mitch why he won't take articles 1 and 2 seriously.
And hold off on passing them to Mitch until she gets a clear answer.
2. Work on further articles of impeachment.

And above all . . .
Get into the news cycle! Point out Trump's shortcomings, Mitch's bias, and fight against the whole 'The Constitution doesn't matter' approach from Trump and Mitch.

Nancy called them both 'rogue elements', and too right.

[panader0]

25. Already the withholding of the articles has had benefits.

The ones you named are all since impeachment ( I think).
The longer Nancy holds them, the more turning you will see.
It's the holidays, perhaps that will bring out the best in certain folks.

[hvn_nbr_2]

27. I sort of agree but OTOH...

we've passed so many turning points that we probably look like whirling dervishes.

[Pepsidog]

28. Starting to feel a shift. Hope it continues.

[RDANGELO]

29. When the impeachment process was in the house, the Democrats were concentrating on the evidence

while the Republicans were screaming how unfair it all was and that the Democrats were out to get him. Now that it has switched over to the Senate, the Democrats are highlighting the fact that Trump is holding back material witnesses and documents. Common sense says that he is hiding something. The Republicans try to defend it, but they really can't.

[grantcart]

31. If we get 51 Senators it will be huuuuge

And I think we will on Article II

[Hermit-The-Prog]

32. even royalty see how pathetic he really is ...

[northoftheborder]

52. Good one!

[Lucky Luciano]

35. Wow. Ramesh Ponnuru is an asshole too. I see his opinion pieces all the time

...on my Bloomberg terminal. He is usually totally wrong about everything and definitely not an ally on any other topic! Glad he at least wants fuckface out of there though!

[usaf-vet]

36. i think the longer Pelosi holds back the article of Impeachment the worse it is going to get for 45.

He will suffer and rage it will be like......

Salt in the wound.
Burr under saddle.
Fingernails on a chalkboard.
Nancy Pelosi just being Nancy Pelosi.
Everyone or anyone coughing when he is talking.

Add your own really annoying tRump irritant.

[peacebuzzard]

37. I am glad it is finally turning somewhat.

But, its hard to stop a huge machine.
I work with some Trumpists, the ones I know are somewhat dim light bulbs, talking heads, and/or self-absorbed.

If you get one started on a controversial self-justification of their position some will not STFU.
So, I just try to get through the situation as low-keyed as possible.
There is no repair to the hard-core cases.

[Fullduplexxx]

40. We sure are ...wasn't yesterday the solstice ?

[Liberalhammer]

41. Grinding away

It's a long slow process, but it works.

[Eyeball_Kid]

42. The nation will be hitting a crescendo of tension in a few weeks, and a lot of this won't matter.

Reason:

If the Senate acquits, the Constitution dies. Everything else pales in comparison.

Think of what is left if the Senate acquits. Checks and Balances are dissolved. Separation of Powers is dissolved. This means that all of the federal government functions are unalterably changed. The Legislative Branch, and soon to follow, the Judicial Branch, will soon be SUBSERVIENT to the Executive Branch. Congressional oversight will end because the Executive Branch will view their co-operation as optional, and therefore non-existent. There will be nothing akin to overriding a presidential veto. A veto will be unquestioned. There will be no ability of Congress to stage impeachment inquiries because there will be no gathering of evidence. Executive Orders will REPLACE the passage of bills by Congress. Altering the terms of elections will be the prerogative of the Chief Executive with no way for the people to object. Foreign influence on elections will become the NORM, as will foreign influence on foreign policy. And these are only a portion of all of the changes that will come to pass BECAUSE the Senate acquits.

In other words, EVERYTHING COLLAPSES.

To the GOP Senators: be careful what you wish for. If you acquit, YOU are signing your own death warrant. As a legislative body, you will render yourselves powerless.

[Grins]

43. GD?

“It is being reported here, in GD, right now.“

GD is where...?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

53. "GD" is "General Discussion"

[flying_wahini]

44. So do you think VP Pence is licking his chops waiting to be in the drivers seat?

[ooky]

46. The Pence's have been waiting to measure for drapes the last 3 years

hoping that something, anything would stick to the orange asshole.

[SCantiGOP]

47. We are one patriot (or one asshole trying to cover his/her own ass) away from resignation or removal

I think Mulvaney, Pompeo, Bolton and a few others would be able to give enough proof to end Trump's presidency. That's why his whole strategy is centered on ending the Senate trial before any of those people can be sworn in before a Congressional committee.

[Nitram]

50. This is a good trend, and as Pelosi is doing, we need to give it time to gain momentum

and pressure the Senate to hold a real trial with real witnesses.