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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 05:22 PM Dec 2019

Smash the Wellness Industry

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/opinion/sunday/women-dieting-wellness.html

Why are so many smart women falling for its harmful, pseudoscientific claims?

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The diet industry is a virus, and viruses are smart. It has survived all these decades by adapting, but it’s as dangerous as ever. In 2019, dieting presents itself as wellness and clean eating, duping modern feminists to participate under the guise of health. Wellness influencers attract sponsorships and hundreds of thousands of followers on Instagram by tying before and after selfies to inspiring narratives. Go from sluggish to vibrant, insecure to confident, foggy-brained to cleareyed. But when you have to deprive, punish and isolate yourself to look “good,” it is impossible to feel good. I was my sickest and loneliest when I appeared my healthiest.

If these wellness influencers really cared about health, they might tell you that yo-yo dieting in women may increase their risk for heart disease, according to a recent preliminary study presented to the American Heart Association. They might also promote behaviors that increase community and connection, like going out to a meal with a friend or joining a book club. These activities are sustainable and have been scientifically linked to improved health, yet are often at odds with the solitary, draining work of trying to micromanage every bite of food that goes into your mouth.

The wellness industry is the diet industry, and the diet industry is a function of the patriarchal beauty standard under which women either punish themselves to become smaller or are punished for failing to comply, and the stress of this hurts our health too. I am a thin white woman, and the shame and derision I have experienced for failing to be even thinner is nothing compared with what women in less compliant bodies bear. Wellness is a largely white, privileged enterprise catering to largely white, privileged, already thin and able-bodied women, promoting exercise only they have the time to do and Tuscan kale only they have the resources to buy.

Finally, wellness also contributes to the insulting cultural subtext that women cannot be trusted to make decisions when it comes to our own bodies, even when it comes to nourishing them. We must adhere to some sort of “program” or we will go off the rails.


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Smash the Wellness Industry (Original Post) SidDithers Dec 2019 OP
Yep. canetoad Dec 2019 #1
Anti-Propaganda Propaganda - Thankfully we are too smart to be hoodwinked OhNo-Really Dec 2019 #39
wow. hear, hear. mopinko Dec 2019 #2
Naturalnews laurieu Dec 2019 #14
Was a good article in WaPo the other day... SidDithers Dec 2019 #19
I warn my patients off of any kind of fad diet, and tell them certain terms to watch out for. Aristus Dec 2019 #3
Cleanse the toxins! LOL...Reminds me of this! Lucky Luciano Dec 2019 #16
"Why are so many smart women falling for its harmful, pseudoscientific claims?" WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #4
Or because their digestive systems are a painful mess because of processed junk OhNo-Really Dec 2019 #40
Epidemic? Okay. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #41
No we didn't actually. We didn't have 24/7 access to unhealthy foods delivered to our door OhNo-Really Dec 2019 #44
Straw man KT2000 Dec 2019 #5
Four words..... paleotn Dec 2019 #6
Thank you PatSeg Dec 2019 #7
Absolutely !! TryLogic Dec 2019 #11
Exactly PatSeg Dec 2019 #17
Strawman is Right yellowwoodII Dec 2019 #9
That's true, but this article is about a different population. yardwork Dec 2019 #13
imho, wellness is a buzz word not particularly related to health. mopinko Dec 2019 #15
these thing meld together KT2000 Dec 2019 #20
All the added sugar I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2019 #18
Few realize that the components of manufactured food can damage DNA of offspring OhNo-Really Dec 2019 #46
Thanks for the link KT2000 Dec 2019 #50
There is. I see the generational decline in my own family. OhNo-Really Dec 2019 #52
yes, it is all around us KT2000 Dec 2019 #53
☺️☺️☺️. I just ask if they would put sugar in their gas tank. OhNo-Really Dec 2019 #55
GREAT article! Kali Dec 2019 #8
Retired Banker driving Uber tells me, they want you dead! MartyTheGreek Dec 2019 #10
Well, if an Uber driver says it's so, I guess it must be. cwydro Dec 2019 #22
Retired Banker MartyTheGreek Dec 2019 #24
He told you he was a retired banker? cwydro Dec 2019 #25
He pulled up in a luxury car... MartyTheGreek Dec 2019 #26
Dude, cwydro Dec 2019 #28
I had the retired VP of American Airlines marlakay Dec 2019 #37
what you say handmade34 Dec 2019 #47
I recall the chemical company KT2000 Dec 2019 #54
That last paragraph is especially true and important. yardwork Dec 2019 #12
My pet peeve is the Zoonart Dec 2019 #30
HEAR HEAR mindfulNJ Dec 2019 #33
OMG..PERFECTION! Zoonart Dec 2019 #36
The "Wellness industry" Dorian Gray Dec 2019 #21
Well, I, for one, eat only superfoods. MineralMan Dec 2019 #23
Kale, acai berries and quinoa, my favorites! The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #27
Kale. It's funny, but back in the 1980s, I used to MineralMan Dec 2019 #29
I've grown some varieties of kale in my garden because it's colorful and decorative. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #31
Kale isn't really that bad. You do have to cook it long enough to MineralMan Dec 2019 #32
Brussels sprouts, YUCK! The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #34
Yup. You've got the bitter taste gene. MineralMan Dec 2019 #35
To me, roasting makes them less bitter. GoCubsGo Dec 2019 #49
Oh, please. Class resentment, race resentment. Well paid white Hortensis Dec 2019 #38
Hi there! PatSeg Dec 2019 #42
Hi, there, Pat! :) Yes, not many wannabe Ivankas out there Hortensis Dec 2019 #43
I rather caught a whiff of PatSeg Dec 2019 #45
Ah. :) I'd just skimmed and would read a bit more Hortensis Dec 2019 #51
"wellness industry"?? handmade34 Dec 2019 #48

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
39. Anti-Propaganda Propaganda - Thankfully we are too smart to be hoodwinked
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:29 PM
Dec 2019

Of course any unbalanced approach to health deserves scrutiny and is not healthy and sustainable.

However, clean, non-processed food sources in a reasonable caloric intake and moderate exercise is the very foundation for a healthier body.

Sadly there are no guarantees; however, disease can be encouraged by a lack of healthy food and drink and excesses of sugar, fat, salt, and added chemicals.

Again, fortunately we are too intelligent to be hoodwinked by

Anti-Propaganda Propaganda

This time of year, I cook all that I can’t peel. The boxed baby super greens is boiled in veggie broth (I Blentek grind dehydrated veggie mix into a powder, add water)

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
2. wow. hear, hear.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:06 PM
Dec 2019

and it's close allies, naturalnews, et al, have been the major vector for propaganda in this world today. my lefty fb friends share those bullshit links all the time, and no matter how thoroughly i pick them apart, they will post another one the next day.
anti-vax is just the tip of this iceberg, but is a beacon of the damage this rot is causing all over the f'ing world.

laurieu

(53 posts)
14. Naturalnews
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:33 PM
Dec 2019

I have a friend who tells me that she's apolitical and then she mentions this crazy right wing stuff to me. She gets it from Naturalnews. I checked the site out. Wow, did you know that the deep state is trying to install Hillary Clinton as President! At least that's what it says at Naturalnews...

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
19. Was a good article in WaPo the other day...
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:23 AM
Dec 2019

that talked about Joseph Mercola and how he's used the fortune he's made in selling medical woo to fund anti-vax groups.

It's crank magnetism. They all run in the same circles.

Sid

Aristus

(66,250 posts)
3. I warn my patients off of any kind of fad diet, and tell them certain terms to watch out for.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:09 PM
Dec 2019

"Cleanse the toxins" is the one that sends up the most red flags, because 'toxins' makes it sound so scientific, like the people who are selling it know what they're doing and have your best interests at heart.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,300 posts)
4. "Why are so many smart women falling for its harmful, pseudoscientific claims?"
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:12 PM
Dec 2019

Because it's really hard to ignore the constant message that we're faulty and in need of improvement in some way -- even when we know better.

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
40. Or because their digestive systems are a painful mess because of processed junk
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:32 PM
Dec 2019

We elders didn’t have this IBS epidemic. Their pain makes them vulnerable coupled with the neurotic need to be unnaturally thin

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,300 posts)
41. Epidemic? Okay.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:39 PM
Dec 2019
We elders didn’t have this IBS epidemic.
Sure you did, you just called it something else.

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
44. No we didn't actually. We didn't have 24/7 access to unhealthy foods delivered to our door
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:41 PM
Dec 2019

But let’s ask NCBI

Conclusion

Health deterioration across generations in both races suggests that much work is needed to meet Healthy People 2020 goals of health equity.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3704119/

Obesity wasn’t wide spread.

Diabetes hadn’t skyrocketed

Heart disease for youth hadn’t spiked

The packaged food industry has huge power to spread disinformation similar to the history of big tobacco.

KT2000

(20,563 posts)
5. Straw man
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:58 PM
Dec 2019

The major food group in the US is junk. It has gone unchallenged for too long. Breakfast - pop tarts, high sugar cereals etc. Lunch and dinner can be prepared microwave meals with lots of additives to extend shelf life. The snack aisle is constantly growing to accommodate foods that contain chemicals that make a person want to eat them again and again. Extensive research has gone into finding what it is that will make people continuously eat products that do not nourish the cells in the body but make big money for huge corporations.

We now have children with high blood pressure, diabetes, and heart disease. Looks to me like there is room for the concept of wellness.

Marketing is the issue here, not the concept of wellness and health. Articles like this can be used to negate positive moves in promoting health, that is also marketing.

paleotn

(17,870 posts)
6. Four words.....
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:06 PM
Dec 2019

high fructose corn syrup. Two words. Corn lobby. Two more words. Ag subsidies. The corn farmers are incentivized to grow has to go somewhere. If it's not American gas tanks, it's your kid's pop tarts.

PatSeg

(47,168 posts)
7. Thank you
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:09 PM
Dec 2019

Wellness is not a black or white issue. There certainly is room for alternative points of view and many mainstream ideas are as you say, marketing by manufacturers of unhealthy processed foods and expensive pharmaceuticals.

I agree that fad weight loss diets can be harmful, but not everything that is alternative is bogus or dangerous.

TryLogic

(1,722 posts)
11. Absolutely !!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:08 PM
Dec 2019

Big Ag and big Pharma, even main stream medicine, are not necessarily your friends, especially big Ag and big Pharma.

Be informed !!

PatSeg

(47,168 posts)
17. Exactly
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 09:08 PM
Dec 2019

Not every manufacturer or healthcare provider is necessarily recommending what is best for every individual or medical condition. Five different doctors could recommend five different treatments or medication for the same condition. We each need to take some responsibility for our health and well-being.

I have never seen so many food allergies as I've seen the past ten or fifteen years. Asthma and other respiratory illness are on the rise, as are cancer, heart disease, and diabetes. I remember when such illness were extremely rare, now they appear to be inevitable and often strike down people at a very young age.

If you are fortunate enough to not be sick, just watch enough drug commercials and they'll convince you that you are suffering from some malady that you've never even heard of, one that they have a cure for provided you have good insurance that will pay the outrageous prices they charge. Then you might need another medication to counteract the side effects of the first one!

As you said, "be informed". It just might save your life!

yellowwoodII

(616 posts)
9. Strawman is Right
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:18 PM
Dec 2019

The SAD (Standard American Diet) is killing us. Don't denigrate "wellness" as some kind of fad issue. Don't suggest that encouraging weight control is "fat shaming." There's a reason why diabetes clinics are thriving. Obesity is related to so many illnesses.

yardwork

(61,526 posts)
13. That's true, but this article is about a different population.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:25 PM
Dec 2019

Privileged wealthy women who are already thin and already eat fairly healthy food are the targets of the kind of marketing discussed in the OP.

Poorer people living in food deserts are the ones who desperately need access to healthy food, and the support to change unhealthy habits. But they aren't the targets of expensive fad diets and programs.

KT2000

(20,563 posts)
20. these thing meld together
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:41 AM
Dec 2019

and it is not a well defined issue. A company that offers exercise rooms for employees could be called a wellness program with the goal of health for the employees. A wellness program such as more exercise, less salt, reduce stress, and healthier diet, could be used to reduce blood pressure. It is the article that seeks to smear the whole concept of wellness as an elite enterprise which is false.
It is a big tent - wellness is health in humans. Not every concept of a wellness program equals health though. As with all things, critical thinking is imperative.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,462 posts)
18. All the added sugar
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:16 AM
Dec 2019

Carbs and chemical shit companies put into food ( add in pesticides and fungicides and other stuff put on food to make it look nice ect before it's processed into junk ) it all eeds to be exposed
and studied too show how it hurts people to eat it.

Also the chemical dump our world has been turned into affects peoples health too.

I know a few people that never eat vegetables. That is scary.

Fuck what companies want to hide.
Expose it.

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
46. Few realize that the components of manufactured food can damage DNA of offspring
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:01 PM
Dec 2019

In summary, there is enough quality, direct human evidence to conclude that many of the dietary choices in today’s modern society appear to have harmful impacts on our immune system and likely on the immune system of our offspring; while many of the remaining conclusions related to the modern diet’s deleterious influence can only be extrapolated from in vitro and/or animal models, given the sheer volume of evidence, predictions of similar human harm seem far from unreasonable

(Table 1). Although promise remains, it also appears unlikely that synthetic supplements or probiotics will be able to fully counterbalance the damage of our dietary choices, let alone undo them, if they are not accompanied by lifestyle modifications.

Of potentially greatest concern, our poor dietary behaviors are encoded into both our DNA scaffolding and gut microbiome, and thus these harmful immune modifications are passed to our offspring during their most critical developmental window.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4074336/

The above helps explain the declining health of succeeding generations.

Sadly manufactured foods are highly addictive making healthy eating less appealing.

Addiction again.

It’s so darn profitable!

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
52. There is. I see the generational decline in my own family.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:32 PM
Dec 2019

My daughter in her “have to be thin” youth would not listen to me and drank aspartame laced beverages for years. Not soda but some powdered flavoring stuff

Her first two children ate manufactured, first generation to ingest GMOs, & fast foods fried in GMO oils and both have physical & emotional health problems

She finally stopped drinking & eating crap because she became ill and ten years later gave birth. Her later and third child does not have any health problems to date. Very strong and healthy.

A “one family study” for sure. However, having worked in a holistic health treatment center in the 1970s, I knew food & health are hugely connected.

KT2000

(20,563 posts)
53. yes, it is all around us
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:35 PM
Dec 2019

I learned to stop giving advice as it is not wanted. It is like watching someone step off the curb in front of a bus. I just listen to people who are having issues with their unhealthy children and keep my mouth shut now.

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
55. ☺️☺️☺️. I just ask if they would put sugar in their gas tank.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 11:32 PM
Dec 2019

I’m guessing addiction is easier to avoid by the very few. The callousness of frankinfood manufacturers simply boggles my mind. Borders on criminal intent imho

Any man with connections and no conscience can financially succeed in a corrupt market or so it seems.

The weirdly realistically flavored jelly beans made me very nervous about packaged foods. I avoid almost all of them.

Off to make our annual sugary whipped creamy stuff. Moderation. ☺️

Kali

(54,999 posts)
8. GREAT article!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:14 PM
Dec 2019

there are a few programs that can assist with changing habits and getting healthier, one I found is out of Canada ( ) I lost quite a bit of weight and created some better habits but not having ever been a dieter, and actually having a science background I had a lot of trouble with the discussion/support groups they set up on line. my god, women are fucked up by the exact kind of bullshit discussed in that piece. virtually everybody has stupid advice for fad eating, it was shocking. the program and most of the coaches were fine, it was the other participants that got on my nerves.

MartyTheGreek

(562 posts)
10. Retired Banker driving Uber tells me, they want you dead!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:45 PM
Dec 2019

80 some years old not shit. Retired driver... I didn't get it at first, but later it dawned on me. H said: Big Agra and Big Pharma, may not be working this together but it has become a symbiotic relationship but the sooner you die the better the algorithm. Now it all makes sense to me. They shun healthy living. We are at war with the dying culture!

MartyTheGreek

(562 posts)
26. He pulled up in a luxury car...
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:12 PM
Dec 2019

We didn't believe he was our driver. He waved to us and we got in. He told us he was a retired banker from NY. His wife died and he said driving gave him something to do.

Is that too difficult to understand? Or, are you looking for another cat fight?

marlakay

(11,416 posts)
37. I had the retired VP of American Airlines
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:12 PM
Dec 2019

Lived in the wealthy area outside Santa Rosa teach me geography. Best teacher to had traveled everywhere when he was younger flying.

He said his wife didn’t want him home all day and told him to find something to do. He only taught 2 classes a few hours at local Business college I went to for being a travel agent.

This was long time ago 33 yrs ago.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
47. what you say
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:08 PM
Dec 2019

is reality for many... you don't need to justify yourself

there are people/businesses out there that profit off disease... it keeps them in money... not all but some... not too difficult to understand

KT2000

(20,563 posts)
54. I recall the chemical company
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:39 PM
Dec 2019

(Astra Zeneca) was under the spotlight because one of its pesticides was being linked to breast cancer. They then bought a company that makes cancer drugs. Problem solved with more money in their pockets to boot!

yardwork

(61,526 posts)
12. That last paragraph is especially true and important.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:12 PM
Dec 2019

Privileged white women can be infantilized in our culture. It's best we be aware and recognize this.

Zoonart

(11,825 posts)
30. My pet peeve is the
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:33 PM
Dec 2019

Notion a woman needs to remain f-able (I'm looking at you, Paltrow) Into her 70's.

Dorian Gray

(13,479 posts)
21. The "Wellness industry"
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:48 AM
Dec 2019

is problematic in that it's not well regulated nor is it usually based on scientific paths to good health.

But the SAD (Standard american diet) is problematic in that it consists of high saturated fats and carbs. Most people when attempting to turn their habits around arne't going to research the most scientifically affective course over longterm. THey're going to choose what they think they can sustain. Some will choose poorly.

A person's diet is personal in that they will choose what they enjoy eating. I did well eating mostly whole foods and perimeter shopping. There's no scientific basis to that. But that, in addition to recording what I ate and added exercise, did the trick when I needed to lose weight.

Getting over the hump of bad habits is superbly tough. There are experts. Anybody selling a magic pill you should be wary of. Consistent small changes. Calories in vs. out. And eating foods that make you feel good are the best ways to start.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
23. Well, I, for one, eat only superfoods.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 11:18 AM
Dec 2019

Yes, indeed. Nothing else passes my lips. I'm off everything except things that someone calls a superfood.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
29. Kale. It's funny, but back in the 1980s, I used to
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:30 PM
Dec 2019

cook kale as a vegetable fairly often. I steamed the whole leaves until they wilted and became more tender, and then served it warm with a vinegar and oil dressing. The stuff was really cheap in the produce department, and it was filling in a time without a lot of cash. I liked it served that way, too.

Still, after a while, it became less appealing, somehow. Now, in the 20teens, it has become a "superfood," and everyone is eating it, drinking it in smoothies, or otherwise serving it up. It's still kale. It's not cheap any more, though.

I occasionally encounter quinoa on my plate at restaurants. I can eat it OK. It's alright. But, it's not new, either. I used to serve grain bowls back in the 80s, too. Any grain will do, though, and quinoa is just another grain you can use. It's not any better than the others, though. "Ancient Grains" is just a come-on to get you to spend more money on edible grains. It's not any better for you than any other whole grains, really.

Acai berries, I know nothing about. As far as I know, I've never eaten any. However, I suspect there might be some in one or another of the so-called "energy bars" I sometimes grab a the supermarket in the checkout line. I never look at the ingredients of those.

Food fads are nothing new. They've been around forever.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,520 posts)
31. I've grown some varieties of kale in my garden because it's colorful and decorative.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:35 PM
Dec 2019

I regard it as an ornamental, not a vegetable; I won't eat the damn stuff because it has the texture of a Brillo pad and doesn't taste much better. If I want salad greens that are both healthful and edible I'll turn to spinach. Kale is just another fad food.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
32. Kale isn't really that bad. You do have to cook it long enough to
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:44 PM
Dec 2019

soften it up, though. I don't see it as a salad green at all. It's a vegetable, like cabbage. You have to cook the damned stuff long enough so you can chew it easily. It's full of Vitamin A and fiber, so it's one of those "leafy green vegetables" our sainted mothers always wanted us to eat. It has been around for hundreds of years, but has gotten noticed recently among the "EAT THIS! IT'S GOOD FOR YOU!" crowd. They're right - it is good for you, but no better than cabbage or brussel sprouts. Of course, a lot of people hate those, too.

A recent news story I read explained why many people hate brussel sprouts. Apparently, it's a genetic thing. For about half the population, brussel sprouts and some other cruciferous veggies taste too bitter to be edible. Me? I love those mini cabbages. Fortunately, so does my wife, so they appear on our plates fairly often. Just steamed until just tender and served with butter, salt, and pepper. Yum!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,520 posts)
34. Brussels sprouts, YUCK!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:51 PM
Dec 2019

I might be one of those people who are genetically repelled by them. People keep telling me that if you cook them this way or that way they're delicious, and I tried those ways and still hated them. They taste like rotting garbage soaked in battery acid no matter what you do to them. I also hate cauliflower and most kinds of cabbage, and will eat broccoli only if it's well-cooked and has cheese sauce on it.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
35. Yup. You've got the bitter taste gene.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 12:53 PM
Dec 2019

Poor moms - always trying to foist that stuff on their children and never knowing that it tastes terrible to them.

I promise not to offer any to you should you be here for dinner! Actually, I never serve any of the cabbage family veggies to guests, unless I have asked them if they like them.

Interestingly enough, the current most popular way to serve brussel sprouts is roasting them. That makes them even more bitter-tasting, and even less palatable to folks like you. I love 'em that way, but recognized that it's just my genes.

GoCubsGo

(32,069 posts)
49. To me, roasting makes them less bitter.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:27 PM
Dec 2019

Even better when roasted with chopped bacon and garlic, or with gochujang or sriracha sauce. Boiling them to death, on the other hand... Nasty and extra bitter. My grandma used to do that. I tolerated them---until I ate some of her over-cooked sprouts right as I got a gastro-intestinal bug as a tween. I couldn't even look at the things without wanting to puke for nearly 20 years after that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Oh, please. Class resentment, race resentment. Well paid white
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:26 PM
Dec 2019

people are hardly the only ones with time to exercise or money to buy kale. People of all colors and means have been eating "greens" since before mankind started walking upright. White privileged women didn't exactly invent them.

This author works for Self Magazine, which is aimed at women making something like $75K a year. She needs to broaden her circles before she tries to speak about what people outside its target demographic are doing. It's fine to go after exploitative business selling poor products. But her imagining that people making less or aren't white aren't concerning themselves about getting exercise and eating healthy is outrageous. They're the ones wasting less money on the industry being deplored is all.

And while we're recognizing that the wellness culture has swept our nation, not just some wannabe Ivankas, let's say a big no to bashing it. This is a very healthy and necessary reaction to what elimination of most exercise did to our parents' and grandparents' bodies and lives. Younger generations don't want to be fat and flabby at 30 and in too poor shape to get out of the recliner and go hiking at 50, and they're very concerned for their children also.

PatSeg

(47,168 posts)
42. Hi there!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:47 PM
Dec 2019

Fad diets have been with us forever, but lumping them together with a sincere desire to be healthy is really short-sighted.

The wellness culture has indeed swept the nation, but a lot of it is because our healthcare system, pharmaceutical companies, and food manufacturers have let us down. Some people have no choice but to seek alternatives to the norm. I would guess that the "wannabbe Ivankas" are a small percentage of people who are genuinely looking for more a more healthy lifestyle for themselves and their children.

Good to see you!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. Hi, there, Pat! :) Yes, not many wannabe Ivankas out there
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:14 PM
Dec 2019

compared to all the rest. Thank goodness. This author was clearly one and hasn't completely shaken her insular "privileged white is the norm" notions, but at least became somewhat "woke" by years of immersion by her participation in exploitative business culture. She's making that old assumption that lower-income POC must be degraded by poverty, not lots of perfectly competent people have lower incomes because of institutionalized racism.

Whatever. Plenty of blame to go around, but my orientation is first to thinking we let ourselves down by sliding into new, wonderfully convenient and comfortable norms, then witnessed and lived the adverse effects over decades, and are reacting to the horrific by slowly lifting ourselves back up with new norms. And industry follows demand.

At least some of us somewhat. I noticed the other day that elevated washers and dryers are still the new "norm." Not one old-style, good-folding-height set in the store. Apparently no one wants to bend, not just those in a niche market of people with disabilities.



PatSeg

(47,168 posts)
45. I rather caught a whiff of
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:01 PM
Dec 2019

the old GMO/Monsanto apologists in this thread. For some, it is an opportunity to attack anything that is not perceived as mainstream by our corporate overlords. Funny how we don't hear from them much anymore. Personally, I don't even see the point of posting that article here, other than to denigrate anyone who believes there is more than one way to be healthy.

Have a great holiday!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
51. Ah. :) I'd just skimmed and would read a bit more
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:19 PM
Dec 2019

carefully with that in mind, but...no.

Happy holidays to you also. Our kids can't come down after all, sickness, so it'll be corned beef and cabbage for Christmas dinner and save the traditional chicken and dumplings for when those who crave it do get here and limitations of healthful eating would be sadly inappropriate.



handmade34

(22,756 posts)
48. "wellness industry"??
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:16 PM
Dec 2019

unfortunate how words and meaning are twisted... I get the gist but I prefer to be well (as opposed to be unwell or diseased) and prefer others to be...

the problem seems to lack of critical thinking on the part of the consumer and unethical behavior by marketers... and poor choice of words (and interpretation)



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