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Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 03:00 PM Dec 2019

The subtle nature of Trump's corruption. There is one way to prove it and see it work.

..If, Biden is nominated, (and I am not endorsing Joe, although he would be a great candidate, as most would be,,) every time that the name Biden is mentioned, to many people, a thought will come that Joe is the guy that Trump tried to get information on, and his son, and the idea corruption will come to mind. You think that will pass? not be true? go away?
...The answer is never. Trump is impeached because of that corruption, and the name Biden signifies Trump's corruption. Yes, true Trumpers will ignore it, but most of us will think of Biden immediately and think of Trump trying to get dirt on Biden and his son. Kind of a "no brainer"
...When people think of Richard Nixon, if they lived through it all, guess what we think of, "I am not a crook" The Trump corruption will always be associated with Trump trying to get dirt on Biden. What better way to emphasize that corruption then nominating a person who will signify and strengthen the notion that Trump is corrupt,...every time the name is mentioned. And because of the media, and what the media has discussed, Trump will be associated with Biden corruption.
...Why say that? The media (all media) has mentioned the name Biden with Trump's corruption thousands of times. Not once but over and over and over, in many ways. Sometime the media approves, sometimes the media denies there is a connection between Trump and corruption. But Biden has been mentioned as a clean person, not trying to get dirt on Trump, and Trump has been mentioned as someone who did try, (or may have tried...depending what you want to believe) to get dirt on Trump.

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TrogL

(32,822 posts)
1. Most people aren't capable of that level of abstraction
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 03:23 PM
Dec 2019

To concrete thinkers it’s “Trump good - Biden bad”. Why? Because Trump said so.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
2. I think that a good part of the population will see the connection. Why?
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 03:29 PM
Dec 2019

The media has shown the connection thousands of times. Between a Biden person (clean) and a Trump person (totally dirty and corrupt) If it was once, ok. But the hearings and the news is fairly clear on this. And it was observed by anyone who watched the news, or read about the news in magazines and newspapers.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
3. I'm aware that tRUMP was a corrupt person before he was installed in the pRESIDENTcy
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 04:33 PM
Dec 2019

by corrupt people using corrupt methods to achieve corrupt goals. The name Biden is involved in
a little bit of the overwhelming scope of evidence we have of the corruption tRUMP is involved with.

The tRUMP enablers and cultists have responded to every point of evidence that's presented to them
with a great big MEH, but there's some hope of reaching these people. I'd like to see us supporting the growing number of people who are joining in a desire to remove tRUMP from office through impeachment or the ballot. That's good. And we can work to ensure a fair and honest election.

Of course we should continue to pursue investigations into tRUMP, Rudy, Pence, Barr and others. We should brand them with treason and corruption. Who knows, maybe some cultists who are in the minority now might come around but there's sure a lot to do in order to win this thing.

Let's not narrow down the scope of tRUMP's corruption to one phone call or one person named Biden.
There's a lot more going on than that.

Alpeduez21

(1,751 posts)
4. Instead of cleverly trying
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 05:14 PM
Dec 2019

To convert repukes the Democratic effort would be spent more wisely by registering voters and getting out the vote. No need to be too clever by half

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
6. As Trump says Biden is "corrupt", most people will see that Donald Trump is "corrupt" because
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 06:59 PM
Dec 2019

Donald Trump is a well known liar. And as Trump says that over and over, he will only make
himself look more stupid (if that is possible.)

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
8. Yes there are too many Trump supporters.
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 08:42 PM
Dec 2019

However. The number of non-Trump supporters is much much larger. In 2016, 63 million voted for Trump. 72 million voted against him (66 for Hillary, 4.5 Johnson, 1.5 Stein). Plus about 44% of eligible voters didn't vote.

I would say that we need to talk to people who just don't vote before we talk to Trump supporters.

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