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MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 11:29 AM Dec 2019

Have a Republican Senator or Two?

Text them, email them, post on their Facebook page. One word:

"PENCE"

Get them thinking about the benefits (to them) of voting Trump out of office. Mike Pence.

Pence can't win an election for that office. But, neither will Trump. The Republicans are going to lose. But, they can cut their losses a bit by dumping Trump and letting Pence become President for a year.

Help them decide. Help them choose. Help them vote to Remove Trump! Show them the alternative to Trump.

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Have a Republican Senator or Two? (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2019 OP
The religious nutcases could spin Pence into rzemanfl Dec 2019 #1
The alternative is another year of Trump. MineralMan Dec 2019 #2
Thank you for teaching me a new word, MineralMan. Glorfindel Dec 2019 #3
Yiddish is a great source of useful words. MineralMan Dec 2019 #4
Pence knows about all the high crimes and misdemeanors. rzemanfl Dec 2019 #9
No doubt he does. However, one impeachment at a time MineralMan Dec 2019 #10
Like I said, scary times. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2019 #16
In scary times, it's even more important to think strategically. MineralMan Dec 2019 #17
Strategic planning requires intelligence, e.g., what will rzemanfl Dec 2019 #20
The word "intelligence" has more than one meaning. MineralMan Dec 2019 #21
I was pairing it with "strategic." rzemanfl Dec 2019 #22
Gathering adequate information is very difficult for individuals, really. MineralMan Dec 2019 #23
You have more faith, I think, than I do in the integrity of the electoral rzemanfl Dec 2019 #24
I think lots of Republican Never Trumpers would vote for Pence. CaptainTruth Dec 2019 #5
I don't think Pence is electable under any circumstances, frankly. MineralMan Dec 2019 #6
Dude, my senators are Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul. malthaussen Dec 2019 #7
Send it anyhow. Pence might be on their minds, too. MineralMan Dec 2019 #12
"Je Pence, donc je suis?" n/t malthaussen Dec 2019 #8
LOL! MineralMan Dec 2019 #13
Tres bien. eom guillaumeb Dec 2019 #27
If they were honest & honorable people, their vote to oust him would be certain. BuffaloJackalope Dec 2019 #11
Neither are they loyal, another positive attribute they don't have. MineralMan Dec 2019 #14
Ah, yes. Courage is a quality the RW also lacks in abundance as well. BuffaloJackalope Dec 2019 #15
I don't see how Pence is any better than Trump. Doremus Dec 2019 #18
It's not a matter of who's "better." MineralMan Dec 2019 #19
Leaving Shitler in office to alienate and/or motivate as many voters as possible Doremus Dec 2019 #26
I would but onethatcares Dec 2019 #25
i think trump (putin) has something on many repub congress critters. Kurt V. Dec 2019 #28

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
2. The alternative is another year of Trump.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 11:36 AM
Dec 2019

I'll take my chances, frankly. Pence is completely uninteresting. He has no charisma at all. Yes, he's a Dominionist, and that's scary, but he's not one who is capable of accomplishing much. He's a placeholder.

Trump, on the other hand, is a freaking loose cannon on the ship of state. He could blow everything up and sink the damned ship. In fact, he might do it just out of spite. He's that unhinged.

Mike Pence is a nebbish.

Glorfindel

(9,706 posts)
3. Thank you for teaching me a new word, MineralMan.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 11:41 AM
Dec 2019

I'll make use of it at the first opportunity I have. Nebbish: a person, especially a man, who is regarded as pitifully ineffectual, timid, or submissive. "He's a nebbish. No money, no prestige, no future."

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
9. Pence knows about all the high crimes and misdemeanors.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:53 PM
Dec 2019

He should be impeached too. These are scary times.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
10. No doubt he does. However, one impeachment at a time
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 01:02 PM
Dec 2019

is all that is possible, and even one removal might be impossible. We're not going to get two, so we need to focus on the worst possible President, which is Trump. There is no ideal solution that can actually be accomplished.

Yes, Pence will pardon Trump. Yes, he will be President for almost a year. What do you suppose the alternative to that might be? We have an election next November. That's when we can make a major change.

We might, maybe, possibly be able to convince enough Senators to remove Trump. We'll never get them to remove Pence, too. We'll have to do that in the election.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
17. In scary times, it's even more important to think strategically.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:09 PM
Dec 2019

I wish we were better at that, frankly.

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
20. Strategic planning requires intelligence, e.g., what will
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:42 PM
Dec 2019

the Russians do and where will they do it?

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
22. I was pairing it with "strategic."
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 03:20 PM
Dec 2019

A lot of this conversation would be unnecessary if the Republicans had the best interests of the nation at heart. They are co-opted, blinded by self-interest, fanatical, or just stupid.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
23. Gathering adequate information is very difficult for individuals, really.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 03:27 PM
Dec 2019

In our cases, as mere voters, we can only look at the goals and try to work toward them as our strategy. There is so much we don't know, really, and can't discover.

My current strategic goal is to have Trump be gone. Whatever might make that happen is what I support. Sadly, there is little I can do, tactically, to make that happen.

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
24. You have more faith, I think, than I do in the integrity of the electoral
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:34 PM
Dec 2019

process. No matter who wins, a significant number of people, perhaps a majority will not believe the reported outcome. That is what Putin wants.

CaptainTruth

(6,546 posts)
5. I think lots of Republican Never Trumpers would vote for Pence.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:03 PM
Dec 2019

That might make Pence harder to beat in 2020 than Trump. Of course, if Trump's base refused to support Pence, he couldn't win.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
6. I don't think Pence is electable under any circumstances, frankly.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:06 PM
Dec 2019

Truly I don't. There's just no there there. Nothing distinguishes him. He is a non-starter.

malthaussen

(17,065 posts)
7. Dude, my senators are Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 12:37 PM
Dec 2019

Somehow, I don't think my input would be welcome.

-- Mal

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
12. Send it anyhow. Pence might be on their minds, too.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 01:50 PM
Dec 2019

You just never know, and it costs nothing to toss your opinion in. What they say and what they think could be very different. I'd go ahead and communicate with them.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
14. Neither are they loyal, another positive attribute they don't have.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 01:52 PM
Dec 2019

There is much to weigh right now, and we don't necessarily know their exact thinking. While they may appear to be loyal to Trump, that could easily be a very thin facade.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
18. I don't see how Pence is any better than Trump.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:11 PM
Dec 2019

And, after giving it some thought, there's a chance he could be an acceptable alternative for (Rs) who've turned their backs on Trump.

No, there really is no upside. Leave the orange gaping wound to fester until November.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
19. It's not a matter of who's "better."
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 02:16 PM
Dec 2019

They're both awful. The question is: Who is more dangerous? The answer to that question is obvious.

I'm not in favor of leaving Trump in office until November, although I think that's certainly the most probable situation. He is just one order from blowing things up on a global basis. He's also erratic enough to do it.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
26. Leaving Shitler in office to alienate and/or motivate as many voters as possible
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:54 PM
Dec 2019

is preferable in this do-or-die election cycle. Replacing him with Michael Milquetoast may bring former loyalists back to the fold just in time to defeat us.

There's danger involved, sure, but at the end of the day there isn't much we can do about it anyway, is there?

onethatcares

(16,131 posts)
25. I would but
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:40 PM
Dec 2019

prickscotts and little marcos' email boxes are always full and their answering machines are full and who knows if they even get USPS first class mail unless there is money in the envelop.

my senators are a basket of shit.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
28. i think trump (putin) has something on many repub congress critters.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 07:30 PM
Dec 2019

others love the grift he creates for them. more still, fear his base. that doesn't leave many. besides they've
already have gone thru this mental exercise

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