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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHave a Republican Senator or Two?
Text them, email them, post on their Facebook page. One word:
"PENCE"
Get them thinking about the benefits (to them) of voting Trump out of office. Mike Pence.
Pence can't win an election for that office. But, neither will Trump. The Republicans are going to lose. But, they can cut their losses a bit by dumping Trump and letting Pence become President for a year.
Help them decide. Help them choose. Help them vote to Remove Trump! Show them the alternative to Trump.
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)some kind of holy miracle. Be careful what you wish for.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)I'll take my chances, frankly. Pence is completely uninteresting. He has no charisma at all. Yes, he's a Dominionist, and that's scary, but he's not one who is capable of accomplishing much. He's a placeholder.
Trump, on the other hand, is a freaking loose cannon on the ship of state. He could blow everything up and sink the damned ship. In fact, he might do it just out of spite. He's that unhinged.
Mike Pence is a nebbish.
Glorfindel
(9,706 posts)I'll make use of it at the first opportunity I have. Nebbish: a person, especially a man, who is regarded as pitifully ineffectual, timid, or submissive. "He's a nebbish. No money, no prestige, no future."
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)I'm glad you have a new addition to your vocabulary!
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)He should be impeached too. These are scary times.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)is all that is possible, and even one removal might be impossible. We're not going to get two, so we need to focus on the worst possible President, which is Trump. There is no ideal solution that can actually be accomplished.
Yes, Pence will pardon Trump. Yes, he will be President for almost a year. What do you suppose the alternative to that might be? We have an election next November. That's when we can make a major change.
We might, maybe, possibly be able to convince enough Senators to remove Trump. We'll never get them to remove Pence, too. We'll have to do that in the election.
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)I wish we were better at that, frankly.
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)the Russians do and where will they do it?
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)A lot of this conversation would be unnecessary if the Republicans had the best interests of the nation at heart. They are co-opted, blinded by self-interest, fanatical, or just stupid.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)In our cases, as mere voters, we can only look at the goals and try to work toward them as our strategy. There is so much we don't know, really, and can't discover.
My current strategic goal is to have Trump be gone. Whatever might make that happen is what I support. Sadly, there is little I can do, tactically, to make that happen.
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)process. No matter who wins, a significant number of people, perhaps a majority will not believe the reported outcome. That is what Putin wants.
CaptainTruth
(6,546 posts)That might make Pence harder to beat in 2020 than Trump. Of course, if Trump's base refused to support Pence, he couldn't win.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Truly I don't. There's just no there there. Nothing distinguishes him. He is a non-starter.
malthaussen
(17,065 posts)Somehow, I don't think my input would be welcome.
-- Mal
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)You just never know, and it costs nothing to toss your opinion in. What they say and what they think could be very different. I'd go ahead and communicate with them.
malthaussen
(17,065 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)But, they are neither.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)There is much to weigh right now, and we don't necessarily know their exact thinking. While they may appear to be loyal to Trump, that could easily be a very thin facade.
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)Doremus
(7,261 posts)And, after giving it some thought, there's a chance he could be an acceptable alternative for (Rs) who've turned their backs on Trump.
No, there really is no upside. Leave the orange gaping wound to fester until November.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)They're both awful. The question is: Who is more dangerous? The answer to that question is obvious.
I'm not in favor of leaving Trump in office until November, although I think that's certainly the most probable situation. He is just one order from blowing things up on a global basis. He's also erratic enough to do it.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)is preferable in this do-or-die election cycle. Replacing him with Michael Milquetoast may bring former loyalists back to the fold just in time to defeat us.
There's danger involved, sure, but at the end of the day there isn't much we can do about it anyway, is there?
onethatcares
(16,131 posts)prickscotts and little marcos' email boxes are always full and their answering machines are full and who knows if they even get USPS first class mail unless there is money in the envelop.
my senators are a basket of shit.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)others love the grift he creates for them. more still, fear his base. that doesn't leave many. besides they've
already have gone thru this mental exercise