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[VOX]

1. A "mere $200K a year"? A bit of a boast in the form of a complaint.

Many folks who live away from coastal cities would consider $200K to be an absolute windfall.

[Tipperary]

2. No kidding.

But it is a cool story, is it not?

[mylightningtoo]

4. Not a boast at all.

200k is so much less than what she makes. I’m emphasizing the system is out of control.

[ChubbyStar]

5. Talking about your "prospects" is emphasizing the system is out of control?

Does she know you speak about her like this?

[Sugar Smack]

17. It's a damn goldmine,

dontcha know.

[ChubbyStar]

21. That part was creepy

I'm sure they meant to say "damn shame". With the concern and all.

[Blue_true]

34. That amount is highly reasonable for a Specialist Doctor.

In fact, I believe that GPs should make at least that.

[wryter2000]

36. I think the OP meant it to be ironic

To express exactly what you've said.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

3. How much does that work out to per hour?

MDs are not known for working 40-hour weeks.

[Aristus]

7. Yeah, 60-80 is more common.

Unlike doctors in TV shows who seem to have a lot of free time to get into prime-time-ready trouble, most MD's in real life put in a lot of hours.

[wryter2000]

39. The doctors I worked with worked their asses off

Some went to 4/5th time just to get some breathing room. They still worked at least 40 hours per week.

Of course, I worked with Kaiser doctors. The reward for good work was more work.

[Blue_true]

42. But the complainers don't see that.

They are the types that demand that sandwich shop workers get paid at least $15 per hour, but turn around and have a hot assed chafe about paying $10 for a sandwich. They don't see all the background expenses involved with making ANY business work, so they ride their high horse. They don't see the times the Doctor gets called in the middle of the night and has to quickly freshen up and make her way to a hospital.

It is so fucking easy for people to complain. Maybe they should go to Medical School and walk in the shoes of Doctors. When some talk about business, I challenge them to open a fucking business and then keep talking shit after a year of running it.

[ChubbyStar]

46. Gee that is a LOT of hyperbole and anger

You might not want to label other complainers.

[Blue_true]

70. To each their own. I don't complain about how unfair life is.

But I will take on complainers that are running off at the mouth without understanding the inner workings of what they are complaining about. Well, if that makes you unhappy, knock yourself out.

[ChubbyStar]

71. Thanks Jesus

[Drahthaardogs]

99. I was a government scientist - a toxicologist for Defense

Worked on shit that was just as important (life and health type things) as any doctor, ran projects worth over $100 million, and i got paid about $75K per year. Cry me a river.

[Blue_true]

120. Welcome to life.

Medical researchers come up with the medicines and therapies that Doctors apply, they make less than Doctors. Such is life. I can't cry rivers because I am not a complainer by nature.

[Drahthaardogs]

125. Dont patronize me. I VOLUNTEERED for the job,

I believe in service to my neighbors. On that note, doctors that charge exhorbitantly will be criticized and I wont be labeled a "complainer" for it. A $200,000 bonus is excessive.

[cwydro]

43. This is true.

Growing up, two of my parents’ best friends (and our neighbors) were both orthopedic surgeons; another was a plastic surgeon.

I was extremely accident prone as a child; never did they fail to show up when my mom called in a panic or when they heard through their wives that something had happened.

And they never billed us. Mom told me this much later. One put my knee back together after an awful accident, the other set numerous broken arms, wrists, etc.

Both of them died much too young, one from an aneurysm in the hospital parking lot and the other from a number of things...primarily probably caused by alcoholism. He beat that in later life, but didn’t last long after.

I remember both of them fondly. They both worked many, many hours that I’m sure contributed to their early deaths. You’re right, they work a lot of hours.

[sir pball]

94. Depends on the doctor.

Office-hours docs, sure.

ER/trauma docs, paramedics - no rest for the weary. My BFF is a para and he routinely does 80 hours.

[Aristus]

97. I'm a PA in Primary Care.

Our office hours are 40 per week. But I routinely get to the office two hours prior to opening to do paperwork, and work on charts when I get home. So while I'm grateful that I don't have an MD's workload, I still put in 50-54 hours per week. And that's when I'm not on call. Office-hours MD's undoubtedly put in more.

[sir pball]

98. Ugh. I feel you and I'm sorry

I quit my souschef job a few months back, it was 80+ hours, and all holidays. This was the first Christmas in four years I didn't have to work...worth it.

[demosincebirth]

111. Also, Doctors, Veterinarians, and Lawyer don't

Charge on television shows.

[at140]

129. Yeah, my wife went into labor at midnight,

we drove to the hospital and her Gynecologist showed up soon after in the hospital for delivery.
My job on the other hand was 8-5 with one hour lunch break, No clock to punch, and as many coffee breaks as I wanted.

I worked in an air conditioned office and had unlimited sick leave and 25 working days vacation every year and I could accumulate max 42 working days if not used up. I do not envy gynecologists no matter how much money they make.

[sarisataka]

6. If she thinks she is paid too much,

Suggest that she donate all money over $200,000 to places like Planned Parenthood or others that provide medical services to those who can't afford it

[mylightningtoo]

9. I've not met any doctors who think they get paid too much

much

[greatauntoftriplets]

11. Malpractice insurance is expensive.

[sarisataka]

18. I have never met anyone who thinks

They are paid too much. But if she is willing to do the job for a "mere" $200k per year and you think that is excessive maybe she, and you with your prospects, canspread some of your largesse around. You would be making a small step toward resolving the inequality you see.

[Blue_true]

45. How do you know that she doesn't already do that?

Her SO said that she gets well paid, the person said not one thing about what she does with the money. Maybe she is paying off a big Med School loan. You know nothing about her circumstances and/or life choices.

[sarisataka]

58. I don't know that but,

It wasn't mentioned in the OP.

What was mentioned is that the doctor would do her job for a mere $200k. From that I infer that $200k would be enough to cover student loans, insurance and maintain a reasonable lifestyle.

The conclusion one draws then is that this doctor has a large discretionary income, one the OP believes excessive.

I was simply suggesting a way to distribute that income so the OP does not have to suffer from the benefits of affluence.

[cwydro]

8. Four bonuses of 50k a year?

Really?

Congrats on your “prospects.” No doubt she’d be thrilled to know that’s how you refer to her.

What is it you do for a living?

[ChubbyStar]

10. HA! We are on the same wavelength

I said the same thing in post #5.

[greatauntoftriplets]

12. But can she fix out-of-joint noses?

[cwydro]

14. Lol!

Well played!

[mylightningtoo]

13. I make my own money. The doctor money and lifestyle

is a negative aspect of our relationship.

[ChubbyStar]

15. Right. Because everyone posts about relationship negatives in a boastful and awkward way

I see it online all the time..oh no I NEVER have. Please proceed.

[cwydro]

19. I'm still amazed at "prospects."

Don’t think I’ve heard that since the last time I read Pride and Prejudice lol.

[ChubbyStar]

23. Sounds like a letter to the editor of Teen Beat

Prospects and gold mines...oh wait maybe that would be a letter to the editor of Miner 49er!

[VOX]

20. You'll muddle through this extremely first-world "problem."

Having “too much” shouldn’t cause many sleepless nights.

[cwydro]

44. Why is it a negative aspect?

You can pay your bills, live well, vacation well, eat well, you’ll be able to educate your children well, give generously to charities...what’s negative about it?

[ChubbyStar]

48. Relationships are complicated

Sometimes there is competition in couples

[cwydro]

51. Ah, you may have a very good point there...

[Blue_true]

54. I believe that one of the two must consider the possibility that the relationship is wrong.

I would never use "negative" to describe some aspect of an SO that person doesn't have much control over.

[cwydro]

57. Dayum, nail on head.

Didn’t think of that right off, but you are spot on.

The comment hit me wrong, but couldn’t quite figure out why. You said it.

[Blue_true]

50. So if something in the relationship is negative enough to be a bother

to you, maybe you are in a relationship that is wrong for you. I can't believe that she would be happy to see you refer to her career and things about it that she can't control as "negatives".

[Hekate]

81. What a lucky woman she is, to have you hanging around judging the rewards of her hard work

[Firebrand Gary]

104. BINGO!

Its pathetic that the OP and the vast majority of commenters on this thread have said nothing about what it has taken her in education, investment or time to get where she is.

[Blue_true]

47. I agree. I would not consider an SO a prospect for anything other than a life partner. nt

[cwydro]

49. Yes, what you said.

As I said, it reminds me of something from a book by Jane Austen.

[egduj]

16. Subtle.

[ChubbyStar]

25. I guess the sledgehammer only came through my monitor

[mylightningtoo]

22. Why Would I come on this forum

To boast about salaries? My apologies for being inartful. My point was the medical salaries are insane, and I’m not clear why insurance companies pay doctors so much. Ugh.

[cwydro]

24. You might be surprised what people boast about on this forum.

This is a new one though.

[Disaffected]

30. Don't let the mean-spirited snark

bother you - it happens too frequently here.

[Blue_true]

56. Insurance companies actually don't pay Doctors "so much".

I looked at what my Doctor bills for him and his Nurse spending 12 minutes with me for a routine visit. It looks hefty, but then he has two receptionists, rent, Internet fees, equipment rentals. Each of those items come out of his fee that he got for seeing me.

[WillowTree]

124. The better question would be.......

…….to ask why doctors charge so much. Insurance companies don't pay them more than the amounts that they bill, after all.

[H2O Man]

26. oh

[ret5hd]

27. Cool story bro...coolest guy on the site...

bet she’s hot too, huh?

[essme]

32. Wish you would

At the very least attempt to come up with something original.

Just effing try.

[ret5hd]

41. Wait whut?

[Demovictory9]

62. did you alert on this? Cuz you started the snark.

[ret5hd]

72. Absolutely not. I have only ever alerted on spam, never on anything else.

Personally, I think the OP needs a creative writing class. I've seen more engaging stories in Penthouse Forum.

[abqtommy]

28. In 1994 my ex and I were living in California. That year we grossed almost 100K, couldn't pay our

bills and went bankrupt. I learned an important lesson through all that. I don't recommend that type of
education to everyone, though.

[Blue_true]

61. People go apeshit when they see what looks like a big salary.

But what looks big in Nebraska is more that likely struggling in LA or SF, or Seattle, or NYC.

Some here have a socialistic mindset where people should make the same amount regardless of their skill level. While I believe high earners should pay far more in taxes, I am also perfectly fine with people that have put in the effort to gain specialized skills, or took a risk and started up a successful business being compensated for that.

[pnwmom]

29. Student loans and malpractice premiums can eat up some earnings for many doctors.

She's lucky if she isn't among them.

[Blue_true]

63. The complainers don't see that. Those things are behind the curtain that they

don't bother to look behind before going off.

[MissMillie]

31. Any chance you'd like to ship us 3 tons of pellets?

j/k

[USALiberal]

33. What is the purpose of this post???? nt

[A HERETIC I AM]

35. To show that some DU'ers are able to buy 2 pickup trucks at a time

[cwydro]

37. Bwah!

Well done.

[A HERETIC I AM]

38. ....

[USALiberal]

40. OK, that explains it!! nt

[ChubbyStar]

52. Big enough for birthin!

Did they come with bows?

[Blue_true]

69. My take.

The OP seems to feel out of place in the SOs' life. So instead of sitting down with that person to have a heart to heart and decide whether they are life partners, the OP brings the issues into a public forum. I didn't see any of it as bragging like some here implied, instead I saw it as a cry for help by a person that can't sit down with an SO and talk about values and life perspectives.

I am not one that feels that Doctors are overpaid and I have made that clear before.

[Hav]

126. I have similar feelings

At first I was with the OP and understood it as highlighting that maybe the wages for some doctors can be really high. I didn't see any intent to brag.

But reading post 13, I think there is an envy problem concerning both the job (and the standing in society it can have) and the money the SO makes. That is the real problem I'd try to focus on if I were the OP.

[Loki Liesmith]

53. This is one hell of a humblebrag.

[Joe941]

55. People, this right here is why we need Bernie sanders.

[samnsara]

59. good for her.. she works hard for it...and Im sure she gets a lot of satisfaction (and heartbreak).

[samnsara]

60. ..if and when abortion is restricted she will be doing a lot of work for free i imagine...

..and heartfelt gratitude will be a very rewarding compensation...

[Docreed2003]

64. ? Four 50k bonuses each year

I can tell you in the surgery field we don't see anything like that and I'm pretty sure most of my GYN colleagues don't either.

But sure, let's beat up on doctors.

[cwydro]

66. Yeah, I find this a bit exaggerated.

Not sure the point of the OP.

Except maybe to stir up DU.

[DFW]

119. Ths OP is a newbie

I doubt the purpose was to stir things up.

It takes a while to get a feel for the pace of DU, and not every new poster is prepared for being called evil the second they say they are out of debt or can afford the rent.

Personally, I think the Lounge would have been the more appropriate forum for this post, but that's just my opinion, and I applaud the mods for not jumping in and locking the thread just for that reason alone.

[Takket]

65. doctor's are paid a lot but they work hard for that.

many years in expensive schools, high insurance costs, residencies, long hours, and a lot of risk. They deserve what they are paid.

[evertonfc]

67. I have

zero issues with physicians making big money. The investment in time and resources is unmatched.

[pnwmom]

68. Maybe it's not the best sign for your marriage if you're already sickened by her paychecks. n/t

[LuckyCharms]

73. I make $1.4 mil per year by letting people touch my beard.

[panader0]

80. How much per touch?

[LuckyCharms]

85. I set a limit of 3 seconds per touch.

[panader0]

89. How much money for three seconds?

I mean 1.4 mil is quite a salary....

[LuckyCharms]

90. A buck three eighty. If you are a friend, I charge tree fiddy.

[Codeine]

82. I had no idea the James Beard Foundation

was so literal.

[lapfog_1]

74. How much is her insurance

and does the practice cover it or does she cover it herself?

[delisen]

75. What is the bonus for and is it automatic?

[kimbutgar]

76. In the early nineties i worked for an investment banking firm as Silicon Valley was taking off.

Apple was starting to gain momentum and the firm got a piece of the investment banking pie of these high tech companies. They used to give us bonuses twice a year. A few times I got bonuses of at least $50,000 part of it was an IRA contribution. I saved those bonus letters and can’t believe I got so much. I saved those bonuses and used them as a down payment on my house and had my kitchen remodeled and expanded and to this day still have much of that money in my IRA. In 2007 I moved the IRA from mutual funds into cash. I had left that business in 1996 and the broker told me I was crazy to cash out now. After the market crashed in 2008 he called and asked me if I had any more insight in the market and if I wanted to come work for him. I said “no I like the money but not the early morning hours”. A guy I worked with at the time kept his money in those mutual finds and he got pretty much wiped out sadly in 2008.

Saw Steve Jobs several times in our offices he was a jerk in real life) sadly.

[nini]

77. Does she work for an insurance company?

I assume she works for a big group to get a bonus at all. So the for profit industry is working out quite well for some. I’m sure lots of people were denied treatment to allow for such big bonuses.

I’m all for doctors making a good wage but not at the expense of others either.

[Hekate]

78. "Sickening"?Are you sure you should be planning to marry the woman who makes you so resentful?

Do you have ANY idea how much debt the average medical student racks up by the time they get to add that MD to their name?

Has it sunk in to you what kind of hours she will keep if she works in a hospital, or is on-call?

Or is she fictional and are you just seeing if you can stir the pot here at DU with class-based resentment?

Because something about this cool story just doesn't ring right, bro.

Welcome to DU, however.

[Tipperary]

109. This. nt

[Skittles]

83. yeah, uh huh

sure

[Ilsa]

84. Does she have student loans to pay off?

I would imagine she could easily have about $300,000 in debt. Hope it's lower.

Being smart gets you a better salary if you're willing to work for it.

BTW, she's still a working stiff, and she could always be exposed to HIV, hepatitis, etc. It's the yahoos getting $50k bonuses from unearned income and paying little in taxes that chap my butt.

[ismnotwasm]

86. I at work right now. I'm a RN

I’m going to go ask about these bonuses

Ok edit. What is your fiancé speciality in medical surgical practice?

[a la izquierda]

87. I'll take two of those bonuses please.

The going rate for history profs at research intensive universities is way less than two bonuses (excepting the Ivy leagues and private universities).
I have an enormous amount of student debt to pay off and work about 65-70 hours a week.
🙄

[milestogo]

88. So did she buy you a car for Christmas?

[SammyWinstonJack]

112. Heh.

[mylightningtoo]

91. I love it. DU crowd thinks doctors making effing

fortunes is A Ok. See nothing wrong with the American health care system. If you could see the extravagance, you would gag.

[ChubbyStar]

92. Please try a new tactic

This one isn't working Mr "prospects"

[demmiblue]

93. ...

[nini]

95. I think they should be compensated for education and skills.

I agree the bonuses are a bit much too.

As long as health care is for profit this will happen. Perhaps your approach to the issue put people off.

[ismnotwasm]

100. I work in a teaching hospital

With many physicians. What is your fiancé doing, because she’s not a GP, not in hematology, not hepatology, not nephrology. An OB/GYN is working in what kind of facility? Cause it’s not a university connected hospital. Bonus are for incentivizing certain goals. What are her goals? What does she specialize in. I actually went and asked a few MDs about their bonuses. They laughed.

[Skittles]

102. yeah, uh huh

sure

[Hekate]

107. The "DU crowd" think you're making effing the story up to stir the pot here...

I bet you think all candidates who dare call themselves Democrats (or Democratic Socialists) should wear sackcloth and ashes and walk about the country barefoot instead of taking airplanes. They need to reduce their carbon footprint to nothing, right? Gods forbid they should have the good fortune to accumulate savings and buy a car that works, etc etc.

Same with MDs. Student loan debt be damned. Malpractice insurance be damned. How dare they make a living that can pay these things off?

Furthermore, I have heard of bonuses coming to people who are working for big corporations -- top salespeople and the like. I have never heard of a practicing doctor who got bonuses. What did you say she does again?

[obamanut2012]

114. D-

[Hav]

127. You do realize you are arguing against the money

your SO earns and her lifestyle in a more and more aggressive fashion. That is one aspect that makes people wonder about your intentions.

[Codeine]

96. Dear Penthouse Finance Forum,

I never thought it would happen to me. . .

[Tipperary]

106. Ha!

That was perfect!

[obamanut2012]

115. hahahhahahhahahhaha

[flvegan]

101. Cool story bro!

Everyone likes a good story. Thanks for playing!

[Skittles]

103. OMG STOP IT CODEINE AND FIVEGAN

YER KILLING ME

[Kali]

105. you remind me of somebody

ever fake your death on line and "return" as your own wife? what about shooting a dog?

[Hekate]

108. Ooooooooh. Also ROFL

[Tipperary]

110. Gotta be a story there.

Maybe before my time here, durn it.

[Kali]

117. that was on discussionist

another possibility could be "I don't drink with you!"

[obamanut2012]

116. omg I forgot about the fake death/wife thing

[obamanut2012]

113. not biting

you aren't even trying yawn

[Sunsky]

118. This seems like an issue for you and your fiancee

My suggestion, don't marry her if her profession is so out of sync with your ideology, so much so you had to post about it on DU.
No, I don't think your "prospects look good" at all because $$$ is not the most important aspect of successful relationships.
As a healthcare professional, I find it hard to believe that this was the result of communicating with her. You might want to sit down and have a discussion on the process of becoming a medical doctor and the function of a medical doctor. I'm sure you know for the most part it is not a 9-5 job. I used to work in labor and delivery before working in the ICU. Babies don't come on a schedule. Sometimes one baby is scheduled for Dr. A to deliver. Dr A plans to leave after. Then another of Dr. A's patient is in labor, then another and before you know it Dr. A is at the hospital all day with few rest in between. It was working in labor and delivery that solidify my view that I could not become a MD. You may have a different outlook if you listen to a few MDs.
There's a lot wrong with our healthcare system, compensating people for their hard work is not one of them.
Edit to add: As an OBGYN how is her malpractice insurance?

[Hav]

128. I think the problem isn't the actual amount she makes

I'd guess it's that she earns more than him and some can't deal with that.

[Codeine]

121. But they still owe her

beer and travel money.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

122. How much does an obgyn make in Moscow?

More than a bot, I'd bet.

[cwydro]

123. Yep.

Wondered the same.

[TexasBushwhacker]

130. I assume her student loans are paid off

Does she pay for her own malpractice insurance? The premiums for an OB/GYN are hefty.

I'm not saying that some doctors aren't over compensated, obviously some are.