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Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:36 AM

 

Michael Moore Predicts 2020 Trump Victory

In an interview with Amy Goodman of Democracy Now!, Michael Moore said if the election were held today that President Trump would win a second term. However, Moore predicted the Democratic candidate for president would win the popular vote count by 4 to 5 million people.

Moore warned the "problem" is support for Trump in the Midwest has not gone down by "one inch" and that Trump voters are "even more rabid" than before because they are afraid he may lose.

"I think if the election were held today," Moore said of a Trump victory. "Hillary won by 3 million popular votes. I believe whoever the Democrat is next year is going to win by 4 to 5 million popular votes. There’s no question in my mind that people who stayed home, who sat on the bench, they’re going to pour out, in California, New York and — you know, but also in Texas and whatever, I mean, places that Trump will probably win, but, yeah, there’s going to be a much higher percentage of people voting against him."


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/12/26/michael_moore_predicts_2020_trump_victory_trumps_level_of_support_has_not_gone_down_one_inch.html

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Reply Michael Moore Predicts 2020 Trump Victory (Original post)
Joe941 Dec 2019 OP
DeminPennswoods Dec 2019 #1
Sanity Claws Dec 2019 #2
brush Dec 2019 #37
Joe941 Dec 2019 #45
Sanity Claws Dec 2019 #50
VMA131Marine Dec 2019 #59
trueblue2007 Dec 2019 #58
bearsfootball516 Dec 2019 #3
still_one Dec 2019 #13
mcar Dec 2019 #34
TheBlackAdder Dec 2019 #4
Buckeyeblue Dec 2019 #9
TheBlackAdder Dec 2019 #12
Renew Deal Dec 2019 #17
LakeArenal Dec 2019 #5
Demonaut Dec 2019 #6
lamp_shade Dec 2019 #7
still_one Dec 2019 #11
snowybirdie Dec 2019 #8
treestar Dec 2019 #29
still_one Dec 2019 #10
FarPoint Dec 2019 #14
Me. Dec 2019 #15
milestogo Dec 2019 #16
smirkymonkey Dec 2019 #39
MFM008 Dec 2019 #55
mitch96 Dec 2019 #18
tman Dec 2019 #20
mitch96 Dec 2019 #22
MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #25
mitch96 Dec 2019 #42
Sunsky Dec 2019 #19
Hotler Dec 2019 #21
Itchinjim Dec 2019 #23
myohmy2 Dec 2019 #24
uponit7771 Dec 2019 #26
treestar Dec 2019 #30
uponit7771 Dec 2019 #32
Turbineguy Dec 2019 #27
Pachamama Dec 2019 #28
UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #31
Drahthaardogs Dec 2019 #33
Downtown Hound Dec 2019 #35
evertonfc Dec 2019 #36
FM123 Dec 2019 #38
leftstreet Dec 2019 #41
wryter2000 Dec 2019 #40
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #43
stopbush Dec 2019 #44
Takket Dec 2019 #46
Joe941 Dec 2019 #47
Takket Dec 2019 #49
Quixote1818 Dec 2019 #48
Lulu KC Dec 2019 #51
spanone Dec 2019 #52
Mike Nelson Dec 2019 #53
helpisontheway Dec 2019 #54
LiberalFighter Dec 2019 #56
Zambero Dec 2019 #57
Vogon_Glory Dec 2019 #60
Joe941 Dec 2019 #61
Vogon_Glory Dec 2019 #62
maxrandb Dec 2019 #63

Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:43 AM

1. Interesting since Moore was on MSNBC

just a few weeks ago saying something to the effect of he saw how things had changed in Michigan for the better for Dems. Maybe Michigan isn't part of the midwest for his Democracy Now analysis.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:45 AM

2. Why should I care about what he thinks?

Does he think he inherited Nostradamus' skills?

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:14 PM

37. Yep, he was "right" in 2016 but wrong in 2012 and 2008. We might...

as well flip a coin and be just as accurate as Moore.

I don't get why he loves to predict Dem loses instead of being positive.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 04:20 PM

45. Because he called it in 2016 maybe?

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:08 PM

50. So he got one right?

I have a coin.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:51 PM

59. Exactly

He has a 50:50 shot at being right every election; so far he seems to be doing worse than you would expect. Besides which, if the Dem candidate wins by 5 million votes, they will win the election.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 06:44 PM

58. MICHAEL MOORE just sucks. i don't believe him anymore.

sorry michael but what has gotten into this last few years?

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:45 AM

3. Moore doesn't seem to realize how close Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were.

He won those states by tiny fractions of 1 percent. Trump's voters can come out all they want but if the Democratic nominee gets even the tiniest bit of support more than Hillary did in 2016, he'll lose those states.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:19 AM

13. yup. another interesting FACT, in all those critical swing states, including the one's you named,

Hillary lost by less than 1%, and in those states Jill Stein received 1%

It didn't help that Moore's constant demoralizing efforts, and continually spewing that there was no difference between republicans and Democrats may have influenced some

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:06 PM

34. Stein and Sanders voters accounted for far more than Dotard's margin

in those states. I mean the people who voted for Stein or write Sanders' name in and Sanders voters who voted for IMPOTUS.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:46 AM

4. That's why, whomever wins the Democratic nomination MUST select the runner-up as their VP pick.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:54 AM

9. The runner up may not want to be VP

But I do think if Biden wins the nomination the VP pick will be very important. But I'm not sure who the best pick would be.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:17 AM

12. Well, the next in line.

Some of it is discussed in the following Pizzagate OP.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028407958#post41

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:40 AM

17. No VP choice is going to help Sanders or Gabbard

They will stand on their own.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:46 AM

5. Michael Moore. The Susan Sarandon of relevance.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:47 AM

6. Moore is more wrong than right, there is hope

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:48 AM

7. Didn't he predict that trump* would win in 2016?

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Response to lamp_shade (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:16 AM

11. He also said McCain and Romeny would win also.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:48 AM

8. He's got us

talking about him, doesn't he? Wants the spotlight too much. Had a few good films, but does little now.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:46 AM

29. this

that is the purpose.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:15 AM

10. Moore also predicted that McCain and Romeny would also win. It is way past time for that asshole

who said a vote for Gore is a vote bush to go away

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:23 AM

14. Michael Moore...

Does not provide any true insight nor leadership...just a person who evokes more fear, anxiety, panic stuff.... Ignore him...

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:24 AM

15. Guess He Doesn't Have A Book Or Film To Tout

So he becomes a gasbag

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:29 AM

16. He really needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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Response to milestogo (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:25 PM

39. Thank YOU!



He's still trying to stay relevant. I wish he would just go away.

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Response to milestogo (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:55 PM

55. this x 1000

I dont give a steamy bowl of crap what he thinks.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:45 AM

18. He said the same thing last election and no body listened...

Also he said "if the election were held today"... I think he is like the canary in the coal mine...
Maybe this time people will listen and DO something... Get out the vote.
YMMV...
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:49 AM

20. He was wrong in 08 and 12.

He's a contrarian loud mouth who is bound to be right once in a while.

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Response to tman (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:52 AM

22. Look forward not back..... we have to win the next one

Like him or not he's sounding an alarm in some must win states.....
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:23 AM

25. He was fucking wrong. He didn't predict treason or stolen election.

He tried to fucking say that Trump would and did legitimately win.

He is an idiotic hypocritical socialist laughing all the way to the bank.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:50 PM

42. "He was fucking wrong."

Hate the messenger, not the message... We have to make sure we get the message to the midwestern must win states that went red last election cycle.. I'm no fan of MM and we can't just think everybody will vote Dem...
m

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:48 AM

19. I am so tired of this guy

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

21. It's not about who runs the country with tRump voters. It's about....

screwing over the libtard democrats. It's all about fucking over their democratic neighbor or coworker of inlaws, or etc.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:09 AM

23. Moore is a Green Party Naderite turned Bernie Bro who spends more time bashing Dems than the GOP.

He partially responsible for giving us Dubya and Trump. Sit down and STFU, Mike.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:21 AM

24. "I think if the election were held today,"

...I'm a fan of Mike's, but the election is a long way off and a million and one things can and will alter the outcome...

...the base of both Party's is baked in and ready to fight but that's not where the election will be won or lost...

...that's why it's imperative to have a candidate with great populist ideas and broad support capable of going toe-to-toe with trump and the pukes...

...do you know who I think can best do that?

...yes, Bernie...

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:24 AM

26. ***Moore Is Wrong*** Midwest didn't give Trump the win, over performing 3rd party candidates in ...

... Midwest states, that were backed by the Russians, that did.

I think this is the most under-reported aspect of the 2016 election that even a lot on the left don't want to or can't repeat.

Then it was VSM after that which shaved votes from HRC

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:47 AM

30. Which is exactly what he fed

and continues to do now.

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Response to treestar (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:55 AM

32. +1, HRC was smart to cut Gabbard et all off at the knees. Damn, we missed out with her.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:27 AM

27. He must read DU.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:44 AM

28. Whatever Michael Moore....

Whatever he says to me is really irrelevant at this point...he has little credibility from my point of view.

But the Democrats can use this commentary from him to their advantage: as long as people believe this, let it motivate the hell out of them to get out the vote.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:50 AM

31. And does he think the candidate he is pushing can win the midwest...yeah he needs to STFU like

 

yesterday.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:04 PM

33. There is truth to this.

I live in the Midwest, and it's Trumplandia. His supporters are RABID! I think we suffered from a lie turnout in 2016. We NEED a popular and appealing candidate. It will come down to turnout.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:07 PM

35. Michael Moore has predicted a Republican victory in every election since 2008

Of course, since he was right ONE TIME in 2016 everybody thinks he has a magic crystal ball.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:13 PM

36. He makes one good point

 

Np question any of our candidates will win popular vote and probably by a larger margin while, potentially, losing the EC. I think our candidates needs to compete in Florida.Its ludicrous to think we cant win that state.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:18 PM

38. He said that trump would win if the election were held today. But it's not held today.

There is still time! Even Moore said in his interview:

The good news is, again, number one, never forget, there’s more of us than there are of them. The majority of the American people agree with us. Seventy percent of the voters next year are women, people of color and young adults. OK? All that on our side.

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Response to FM123 (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:35 PM

41. +1

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:29 PM

40. Of course

Because whoever the Democrats nominate will not be good enough for his exalted self.

I wish he'd stick to making documentaries

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 02:37 PM

43. Wish he'd stick to his great doc's...but he's likely right again.

Nothing anyone is doing, despite what we'd like to think is brilliant here is working. No significant diminishing of his favorability.

Everyone can say we are geniuses doesn't matter.

There's a monster and you have to think outside the box to slay a monster.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 02:39 PM

44. Moore is making a safe and painless win-win prediction to promote his brand.

tRump wins - Moore is a master prognosticator whose insights got right.

tRump loses - Moore was an effective canary in the coal mine whose warning drove Ds to the polls to defeat tRump.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 04:49 PM

46. this is just a "predict the worst so you won't be shocked or disappointed" prediction.

he has no more insight than anyone else.

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Response to Takket (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 04:59 PM

47. He pretty much nailed 2016.

 

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:01 PM

48. Trump's support in the Midwest has gone down though

He is now super unpopular in those states.

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump-2/

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:12 PM

51. Please go away, Michael

You are not good for my soul.

I really appreciated some of his earlier work. He is nothing but a bummer to me at this point.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:15 PM

52. LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!!

FUCK OFF MIKEY

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:24 PM

53. This is great news! (*because...)

... *he's pretty much wrong in his Presidential predictions. I believe he predicted President Romney, too. People say he predicted President Trump, but that is not entirely correct... as far as I can recall, he did not say Electoral College winner. Hillary was the clear vote winner. That being said, I do think Michael Moore has good points to bring up and is on our side.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:29 PM

54. I despise Michael Moore but he is probably right. States like Michigan, Wisconsin,

and Pennsylvania will decide this election. His numbers don’t seem to be dropping really low in those states. Plus this morning they are showing him at 45% and I think they said that was the realm that Obama was in for his re-election. Plus we know there will be tampering. It will be an uphill battle to get an incumbent out (even a crook like Trump). All we can do is vote, encourage people we know to vote, donate, volunteer and pray that is enough to overcome evil.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:56 PM

56. I don't put much stock into what he has to say.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:59 PM

57. His predictions change faster than the tides

Trying to stay "relevant" while giving people every reason not to take him seriously.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:54 PM

60. I suspect that the 2020 political map will differ from 2016

More than a few of the Trump-voting Republicans of 2016 have either passed on or, in small slivers, have wised up.

I suspect that Donnie’s race-baiting is going to have blow-back. Latino-baiting in a state like Texas has already got Texas Republicans (Previously a justifiably smug bunch) feeling nervous. Texas Latinos are already as numerous as their Euro-American counterparts. If the Big Red Capstone falls over, Donnie is as done as overcooked roast turkey.

There’s also the lightning-rod effect: I hate to say it, but Hillary was a lightning rod for almost every right-wing whack job. This year, everybody to the left of John C. Calhoun has rather hostile feelings towards Orange Julius.

Does Good Old Joe or even Oklahoma’s estranged daughter Elizabeth Warren have similarly charged feelings? I doubt it.

I think Michael Moore’s prognostication is probably off.

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Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #60)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:47 PM

61. I think he nailed it in 2016 and we should heed the warning...

 

I think his track record is better than yours. We need to get behind Bernie or suffer the fate of 2016.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #61)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:47 PM

62. I thought Barack Obama had good chances in 2008 and 2012, Mr. Moore didn't

President Obama proceeded to beat the Rethuglies twice.

I admit I was wrong about 2016, but the score is 2 to 1, my favor.

So there.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 08:22 AM

63. OK Boomer

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