Watching MSNBC talking heads that last 2 weeks it is obvious in their

[saljr1]

goal to try and influence viewers to support a moderate Democrat. Isn't this the way Democrats lost the last time? Is the status quo good enough for 60 % of American living paycheck to paycheck or the 45 % that don't have a 401K or the 25% of the workforce making $12 or less or the Americans struggling to pay for healthcare? I don't know. Is this election a referendum on Trump or Who we are as People?

[UniteFightBack]

1. I have a completely different observation of who certain pundits are trying to push and it

ain't the moderates.

And no this is not the way the Democrats lost the last time. Are you ignorant as to what occurred in the 2016 election?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. The Democrats lost because of Russian interference, gerrymandering,

voter suppression and the Comey letter. That's been pretty well established by now.

[Doremus]

11. Let's not forget the inability to bring sufficient voters out in 3 rustbelt states.

[Hekate]

21. Would those be where Kremlin Jill Stein sucked up exactly as many votes as Hillary "lost" by?

Jill Stein's best efforts were carefully targeted as to location.

Hillary Clinton was attacked and lied about continuously for 30 years. In the end, it took an international attack of sabotage, subversion by US sources, New Jim Crow laws designed to throw all probable Dems off the voter rolls, old-fashioned voter-suppression means -- and did I mention the Russian act of war -- AND SHE STILL GOT THREE MILLION MORE VOTES THAN TRUMP.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. "Moron" and "jerk" aren't very nice things to say about another DUer.

Maybe you'd like to rephrase your post?

[UniteFightBack]

13. You ain't long for this board dearheart. xoxoxo

[Me.]

20. Joy Practically Did An Infomercial For BS On Her Show Today

[comradebillyboy]

2. I sure see a lot of MSNBC talking heads boosting Sanders. The talking heads

want a horse race for ratings.

[Sherman A1]

3. Their job is to fill airtime between

advertisement for drugs that we never knew we needed. If they keep you engaged long enough to do that they have succeeded. As to something resembling real news, analysis or journalism that may occur occasionally but don't count on it.

Best thing to do is to turn off the Infotainment Media.

[Doremus]

16. This [phone]

[TwilightZone]

4. Well, no.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=396322

[kentuck]

5. All I have seen are the substitutes going over the same talking points.

But everybody can't go on vacation at the same time, I guess?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. The Dems lost last time because of Russian interference, voter suppression, gerrymandering,

and the Comey letter, not because Hillary was a "moderate." She was, in fact, a solid liberal. All of the current Democratic candidates are solid liberals. The election will be, and has to be, a referendum on Trump, who is an existential threat to democracy in this country.

[MineralMan]

8. As with all news programming, you have to do some thinking as you watch.

MSNBC is almost 100% commentary, rather than hard news. So, you're hearing the biases of both the commentators and the company that owns MSNBC. If you know that, you can interpret what people say pretty accurately.

There is zero unbiased news reporting and commentary. Zero. Relying on a single source isn't the answer.

[Doremus]

10. It's both. We ignore one or the other to our peril. nt

[ritapria]

14. We have to nominate a moderate to win , don't you know?

It worked out peachy in 2000, 2004 , and 2016 …..We need a nominee that inspires voters , not put them to sleep …

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. All of the candidates, with the exception of Gabbard, are liberals.

The opposite of "moderate," in any event, is "immoderate," not "progressive" or "liberal." I don't want someone who is immoderate, which means excessive or extreme. If moderate = "centrist," we don't have any of those, either. Nobody is in the center of the political spectrum. None of the candidates are advocating for any GOP policies that I know of (e.g., repealing the ACA, overturning Roe v. Wade, cutting Social Security, Medicaid and other government benefits, ignoring climate change, cutting taxes on the wealthy, punitive immigration rules, kids in cages, privatization of pretty much everything, repealing environmental regulations). A centrist would accept some version of these positions, but all of our candidates reject them out of hand. We have no moderates or centrists; we have only good, devoted liberals. And frankly, I don't care about being excited or inspired by a candidate. My excitement and inspiration come from the notion of beating Trump; that's all I need.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. You can choose to accept or reject their opinions.

MSNBC's evening programming isn't news, it's opinion, hardly different from the op-ed pages of a print newspaper. Take it or leave it.

[Arthur_Frain]

18. To me it seems obvious that this election is a referendum on so much more

than just the arrogant orange turd himself.

This election is about whether or not we can shift, because that’s exactly what it’s going to take to keep us from our decline. I don’t see the moderates doing anything but trying to prop up the dominant paradigm here, and we can see that it just isn’t going to work.

A decade or so from now we will be either a much more authoritarian nation, and I doubt we will be freely conversing on this platform (unless we are really, really, foolish and naive), or else we will be a significantly more “socialistic” nation, with real social services for most of us, which we ALL pay for. Taxes across the board in the neighborhood of 30-40%, possibly even more.

Honestly right now though, I’d not put money on either one. The only people I’ve ever seen collectively agree and then march in lock step is when the rethugs decide its time to really screw the rest of us over. We could elect a democratic president with a supermajority in both houses, and still fail to accomplish anything at all, because we can never exactly agree on what it is that needs to be done.

[mahina]

19. We lost because people thought they didn't have to get off their sofas

So they mostly didn’t.

[Hekate]

22. As someone said, the subs are filling in. Turn off the tv-machine until the best are back after...

...their year-end holidays.

Set your DVR for Rachel Maddow (great depth), and Nicolle Wallace (great panelists). Other people can recommend their favorites.

[Gothmog]

23. On AMJOY, sanders supporters pushed the concept that Eugene Debs was the proper model

I turned off the TV during this segment

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