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Mon Dec 30, 2019, 02:03 PM

BREAKING: Gov. Justice (W.Va.) approves firing of all involved in Nazi-like salute

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BREAKING: Gov. Justice approves firing of all involved in Nazi-like salute
December 30, 2019
10:49 am


CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WVVA) - Gov. Jim Justice announced today that he has received and reviewed the official report completed by the West Virginia Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety related to the West Virginia Division of Corrections and Rehabilitation Academy Class 18 and has approved the recommendations submitted by DMAPS Secretary Jeff Sandy.

“I have reviewed the factual information regarding this incident that was provided by Secretary Sandy, and have approved all of his recommendations,” Gov. Justice said. “I expressed my thanks to him and the entire Department for quickly getting this report done.

“As I said from the beginning, I condemn the photo of Basic Training Class 18 in the strongest possible terms. I also said that this act needed to result in real consequences – terminations and dismissals. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated on my watch in any agency of State government.

“We have a lot of good people in our Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety. But this incident was completely unacceptable. Now, we must continue to move forward and work diligently to make sure nothing like this ever happens again.”


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Reply BREAKING: Gov. Justice (W.Va.) approves firing of all involved in Nazi-like salute (Original post)
babylonsister Dec 2019 OP
PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #1
dewsgirl Dec 2019 #2
Merlot Dec 2019 #3
crickets Dec 2019 #5
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2019 #10
calimary Dec 2019 #11
PatrickforO Dec 2019 #17
malaise Dec 2019 #34
appalachiablue Dec 2019 #44
KPN Dec 2019 #16
SunSeeker Dec 2019 #19
uponit7771 Dec 2019 #39
Mr.Bill Dec 2019 #42
dchill Dec 2019 #48
Aristus Dec 2019 #4
George II Dec 2019 #6
tblue37 Dec 2019 #47
dware Dec 2019 #53
Chemisse Dec 2019 #51
George II Dec 2019 #54
Maggiemayhem Dec 2019 #57
3catwoman3 Dec 2019 #7
irisblue Dec 2019 #8
wnylib Dec 2019 #9
warmfeet Dec 2019 #12
not_the_one Dec 2019 #13
paleotn Dec 2019 #14
Lucky Luciano Dec 2019 #32
paleotn Dec 2019 #40
Maggiemayhem Dec 2019 #59
Initech Dec 2019 #15
smirkymonkey Dec 2019 #18
Liberalhammer Dec 2019 #20
nycbos Dec 2019 #21
SWBTATTReg Dec 2019 #22
Hamlette Dec 2019 #23
grantcart Dec 2019 #25
XRubicon Dec 2019 #35
appalachiablue Dec 2019 #46
Maggiemayhem Dec 2019 #58
spanone Dec 2019 #24
Farmer-Rick Dec 2019 #56
underpants Dec 2019 #26
cp Dec 2019 #27
Tanuki Dec 2019 #28
keithbvadu2 Dec 2019 #29
DBoon Dec 2019 #50
Evolve Dammit Dec 2019 #30
Hortensis Dec 2019 #31
wallyworld2 Dec 2019 #33
Takket Dec 2019 #36
Lucky Luciano Dec 2019 #37
drray23 Dec 2019 #38
Maggiemayhem Dec 2019 #60
Dukkha Dec 2019 #41
BlueWI Dec 2019 #43
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2019 #45
softydog88 Dec 2019 #49
samnsara Dec 2019 #52
boomer_wv Dec 2019 #61
IronLionZion Dec 2019 #55
NNadir Dec 2019 #62

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 02:07 PM

1. Hooray!

People need to get the message that this is not Nazi Germany. Not yet, at least.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 02:07 PM

2. I posted a thread on this when then photo first came out.

I am so happy about this.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 02:08 PM

3. Why are their faces blurred?

If someone in the group was not making the salute, I could understand their face being blurred. These are adults, not chldren and not victims.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 02:25 PM

5. +1

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Response to Merlot (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:01 PM

10. +2

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Response to Merlot (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:02 PM

11. Good question.

There HAVE TO be consequences for this shit. If this happens and there’s no price to pay, then it’ll keep on happening.

If there’s any doubt, look at trump. That impeachment is probably the first time he’s faced an ACTUAL penalty for his shit. And this one will stick to him like tar and duct tape for all of history. In every history book, wiki or other online reference source, EVERYTHING. From now on. And all the spinning and dancing and waffling and lying and baloney-spewing and bullshitting and distracting and deflecting and “what-about’ing” and other assorted excuse-making and water-muddying will NOT change that. It’s a FACT. And that’s what it will ALWAYS be. It’s the kind of fact from the REAL reality world outside the Pox Noise/trump/GOP bubble-world.

This is no “wish sandwich” - as the Blues Brothers would say - where you have two pieces of bread and you wish you had some meat. The republi-CON version of that is: you think (or “believe”) if you just keep calling it that, something will somehow magically appear between those bread slices to transform it into a legitimate sandwich.

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Response to calimary (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:41 PM

17. It isn't just stuff like this - it is the for-profit concentration camps dotting

our entire nation. Salutes like this one are just the tip of the iceberg. Trump and his criminals must be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:52 PM

34. +1,000

Should be an OP

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 09:36 PM

44. +2,000 pls. make an OP

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Response to Merlot (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:27 PM

16. +3!

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Response to Merlot (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:52 PM

19. +4!

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Response to Merlot (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:31 PM

39. +5

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Response to Merlot (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 08:23 PM

42. Legal counsel probably advised it

due to it being a personnel matter. Wouldn't want to hamper them being hired by another agency, you know.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 04:26 AM

48. +1.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 02:11 PM

4. Good for him.

He must have been reminded of how many West Virginians fought against the Nazis in World War II. Chuck Yeager not the least of them.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 02:34 PM

6. Great news! Get rid of the whole lot of them. By the way, Governor Justice is a republican....

....AND a billionaire (the richest person in West Virginia) Thankfully common decency still exists even in the groups that are sweepingly condemned.

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 09:43 PM

47. He ran as a Democrat, and then once he was eected, he switched to Republican. A wolf in

Last edited Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:04 PM - Edit history (1)

sheep's clothing.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 11:39 AM

53. But, in this case, he did do the right thing,

so, kudos to him for taking the action recommended.

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 11:33 AM

51. Party at the local level can be quite different than in national politics.

That's why I never vote a straight ticket. I always go down the list one by one. Usually they are all Dems, but not always.

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 11:51 AM

54. I'm involved with local politics and for about the last 10 years we've had virtually no political...

....discord between the two parties. In fact, there have been occasions where our republicans have been more open to working together than some of our Democrats.

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:00 PM

57. Justice ran and won as a Democrat

He then switched parties and pledged his support for Trump. He is a coal Barron who doesnt pay his taxes. He did one right thing but it was probably because The Appalachian Storage billions was not included in the federal budget. Just what we need more chemical and oil related storage and cracker plants and more plastics.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 02:41 PM

7. Kudos to the governor.

Let’s hope the idiots learned something.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 02:55 PM

8. Good on him

(and that I am in fact complementing a Republican is a bit dizzy making)

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 02:59 PM

9. More of this kind of consequences

across the country is what we need today.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:03 PM

12. Now that is holding people to account for their actions.

Excellent news.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:08 PM

13. dox 'em

 

Let their families, friends, associates KNOW how they feel.

Just losing their job will just make them feel like martyrs. They should have NO, or at least a minuscule support network to fall back on. They need to know what it feels like to REALLY be an "other" that no one wants in their lives.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:14 PM

14. Excellent!

Never, ever give Nazis a pass....ever. They must be rooted out root and branch before they ever have a chance to spread. But, unfortunately, that's not happening now. I think somewhere we lost some of our institutional memory when it comes to fascists, particularly the Nazis flavor. Maybe as the greatest generation dies off, the emotion of it dissipates. It's becoming as real to some as the War of 1812...their grandparent's or great grandparent's war. My parents are WWII generation and it wasn't until very late in life that dad opened up somewhat about his experiences in Europe 43 to 45. It was gut wrenching. No wonder he wanted to simply put it away and forget it. Much of it he took to his grave. And his white hot rage when Nazis marched in Skokie in the late 70's made perfect sense. He literally wanted to kill every single one of them with his bare hands.

These people...all of them...need to be severely punished. Part of their punishment should be 24 / 7 holocaust documentaries and Shindler's List until it finally gets through their thick skulls that this shit is real, deadly and the heart of evil.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:35 PM

32. I hate Illinois nazis.


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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 06:08 PM

40. Shoulda saw that one coming. :- )

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Response to paleotn (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:16 PM

59. You get it.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:18 PM

15. Good, fuck Nazis!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:43 PM

18. Hear, hear!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:53 PM

20. A class of white nationalist terrorists

 

They better watch these guys.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:04 PM

21. Broken clocks are right twice a day.

But credit where credit is do. This type of behavior can never be tolerated.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:04 PM

22. Good! Didn't listen to any nonsense like the cadets in one situation that were flashing...

the white power symbol and they explained it away as being something else. That excuse was BS. This governor didn't put up w/ any nonsense and fired the whole batch of them. Good! We need more like this guy in office, who isn't afraid of doing what's right. What's really pathetic is that I don't see a single one of the students pictured above who's not doing the salute. Not a one.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:09 PM

23. Byrd is the name of the instructor of the class

who some cadets said forced them to use the salute. (ps Byrd is female). But if you click through the link provided in the op to the original article by WVVA (whatever that is) you see this:

The photo is captioned, "Hail Byrd."

The late Senator Robert C. Byrd was briefly a member of the Klu Klux Klan, but he left the group and denounced racial intolerance.


https://wvva.com/2019/12/05/gov-justice-wants-firing-of-all-involved-in-nazi-like-salute/

Disappointing that the media doesn't do the leg work.

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:13 PM

25. Thanks for posting

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:59 PM

35. Is Karrie Byrd (instructor) related to the senator?

They just randomly add a reference to the senator without any context?

The students were "hailing Byrd" (their instructor not the senator).

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 09:40 PM

46. I wondered about the name, thanks for the explanation

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:10 PM

58. Byrd is a common name in WV and Virginia

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:11 PM

24. Trump has made every nazi feel welcomed and emboldened.

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Response to spanone (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:49 PM

56. Exactly, Traitor Trump has made German Nazism vogue again.

My father fought in WWII to stop the Nazis.

Trump and his Nazi loving stupidity is an insult to all the military who fought in WWII. Our parents and grandparents who fought against Hitler would be absolutely ashamed of this president and these Nazis.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:15 PM

26. I hate West Virginia Nazis

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:16 PM

27. Yes

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:19 PM

28. Good for Justice. Too bad West Point and the Naval Academy did not have the same

honesty and decency to do the same when their smug, racist cadets recently flashed "white power" gestures on national television.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:19 PM

29. America fought a war against the Nazis and supposedly won.

America fought a war against the Nazis and supposedly won.

Yet here they are in Charlottesville marching to "take back America".

KKK Conservative boasting:

“We killed six million Jews the last time,” he answered. “Eleven million is nothing.”

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article167939222.html

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 11:27 AM

50. I have a fantasy

of the deceased troops who fought in D-Day coming back from the dead to fight these "alt right" Nazis with the same determination they had in 1944

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:30 PM

30. BS crazy and dangerous domestic terrorists. Fire, indict, arrest, prosecute...all of 'em.

These are crimes against America.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:31 PM

31. I want to grab and hug some people. :)

This very strong stand suggests the investigation did not turn up mitigating or extenuating reasons.


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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:43 PM

33. Great News

You can't give an inch on this kind of thing.

These are not compassionate, empathetic, humane, human beings.

They are not to be tolerated

Because it only gets worse if you do.

They see that as weakness and an opportunity to treat others as second class citizens, without rights

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:03 PM

36. good riddance

this is true leadership. Thank you governor.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:18 PM

37. A republican doing the right thing with no obvious ulterior motive.

Color me impressed.

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:26 PM

38. Jim justice was a Democrat for years.

He was elected as a Democrat for governor and later on switched to republican. It was never clear why.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:22 PM

60. He was a registered Republican before the election

Switched to Democrat to secure the election and promptly switched back to Republican. He is running for re-election as a Republican in 2020. We have an excellent candidate for Democratic Governor, Steve Smith for a change.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 08:10 PM

41. I count 29 scalps to be had!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 08:55 PM

43. Great news!

Nazi salutes during basic training? Really?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 09:39 PM

45. Good for him

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 11:19 AM

49. Bravo!

One quick action obliterates any amount of empty rhetoric. This is a great example of getting shit done!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 11:39 AM

52. their families must be so proud of them..getting fired from a cushy state job with all the bennies..

...right at Christmas time...

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Response to samnsara (Reply #52)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:35 PM

61. CO's

 

hardly have a cushy job.

WV starting pay for a CO is about $25k a year working 12 hours shifts in a place where you get a warning on the first day about how you could get rape-murdered.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:13 PM

55. The worst part of this story

The report found that the Nazi salute originated with a cadet who encouraged classmates to use it “as a sign of respect for Byrd,” a reference to instructor Karrie Byrd. Several other cadets reportedly objected to making a Nazi salute and called it out as inappropriate, only for the instigating cadet to tell them, “Look at me, I am black and I am doing it,” the report said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/12/30/prison-guard-trainees-were-photographed-giving-nazi-salute-whole-class-got-fired/


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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:43 PM

62. A Republican Trump worshiper who doesn't approve on Nazis?

He may find himself the target of angry tweets from the Nazi in the White House.

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