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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSadly, my first reaction to tonight's news of our targeted assassination of Iran's Qud force
director was "Well, there it is---Trump has his war!"
And, later, when the official US statement about the attack was read and predicated the attack as a "defensive" strike necessary to prevent planned attacks on our personnel, my reaction we---and is---disbelief. Until it is corroborated by sources not allied with or beholden to Trump, I will not believe any such justification for an act of war without Congressional approval.
And, make no mistake: we are worse off than leaderless. The man who is claims Constitutional authority to "do whatever he wants" not only will use the coming war for his own political advantage, he has control of our nukes and has often questioned why he can't use them.
The United States of America has been placed in mortal danger by the idiot in the White House and he has no idea what to do about it.
Turbineguy
(38,430 posts)when it comes to geopolitical, we know where he gets his marching orders.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)of-the-moment idea that Trump pulled out of his ass between tweets and rounds of golf. The question "And, then what?" was not even asked, let alone answered.
PatSeg
(49,749 posts)We know the many times he has blurted out some bizarre order that fortunately was ignored. It is inevitable that eventually someone will carry out one of those off-the-cuff directives. Hmmm, I wonder how the evacuation of Seoul is coming along.
jmowreader
(51,549 posts)It would be treasonous to impeach a president while our troops are in danger.
Since the bastard put them in danger for just this reason, it would be even more treasonous to not impeach, remove, send to the war zone and issue a key to the potato peeler to him. We can even waive age, retention control point and weight regulations so Private Trump will be able to peel spuds until hes the last man in theater.
Turbineguy
(38,430 posts)"Pentagon? I hardly know the guy. We met once. Although he does say nice things about me on Fox News!"
rwsanders
(2,758 posts)it was a really bad idea by some John Bolton leftover still hanging around the whitehouse, or Bolton himself was able to stick it in the ear of Kushner or someone else who is doing the work of sticking bad things under Trumps nose in between rounds of snarfing up fastfood.
TheBlackAdder
(28,962 posts)Chuuku Davis
(574 posts)Showing up in public, in the daytime, in a foreign country, at the scene of an attack that he planned on an American embassy was the tipping point IMO. Thats way too brazen to let it slide. That man planned the killing of many Americans and Iraquis.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)StClone
(11,869 posts)And a possible world conflagration to avoid Impeachment? A distraction and/or to get reelected? Did he bomb Kim no, Putin no.
Zoonart
(12,783 posts)also sadly, with you Atticus.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Pandora's Box is once more opened.
tinrobot
(11,474 posts)Any guesses?
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)femmedem
(8,446 posts)I fear he would love to be remembered as the president who nuked Iran.
Midnight Writer
(23,047 posts)Folk, I don't even think there is a strategy here. I am hearing on the news he did not consult with Congress, did not consult with our allies (there are still troops from many nations serving there, keeping the peace at our behest), nor did he advise any of the same.
Did he consult with his staff, Defense and Intelligence Agencies, State Department, diplomats? I really can't imagine him doing that. Some Wormtongue like Steven Miller or Rudy or Putin is whispering to his addled mind.
It is frightening that our Commander In Chief can be goaded into committing an Act of War by a segment on Fox and Friends.
BigmanPigman
(52,332 posts)permanent positions filled by too many "acting" staff. Gee, how could this go wrong? Does anyone know what they are doing?
ancianita
(38,741 posts)his interests, some obvious, some not.
or Netanyahu.
I don't think it was planned. I think the opportunity presented itself and just like bin Laden--they took that opportunity.
Harker
(15,065 posts)Now is the time for some sane patriots in key positions to assert themselves.
vapor2
(1,574 posts)totally unlikely. Does anyone else just want to leave this country while watching our democracy dissolve?
McKim
(2,412 posts)For sure we will have brain drain if he is reelected! Our daughter is talking immigrating to New Zealand. Smart young people are leaving for Europe.
Renew Deal
(82,956 posts)Because generals are a representation of a countries agenda. Killing this guy will not deter a country like Iran.
KPN
(16,140 posts)the DoD with invertebrate lackeys. The fucking coward has surrounded himself with self-serving cowards who wont stand up to him regardless of the absoluteness of his egomaniacal insanity .... We are truly fucked!
CloudWatcher
(1,927 posts)Someone forgot to tell him it was a parody.
I suspect he'll be getting a phone call from Vlad in the morning with updated orders. If we're lucky, we might even hear about it (from the Russian media, not ours).
czarjak
(12,491 posts)yaesu
(8,288 posts)and the gas crisis in the 70's is going to look like a walk in the park, oh, & the market will crash of coarse & we will spiral into another depression.
3Hotdogs
(13,478 posts)Gas price will rise tomorrow.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)they sell it on the market for the best price.
We are screwed.
Food prices will rise.
roamer65
(37,222 posts)Rural Dump lovers will get what they deserve.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Not just rural Dump lovers.
roamer65
(37,222 posts)Mother Earth wont either.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Sorry, I dont wish financial hardship on anyone. YMMV.
roamer65
(37,222 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Theyve got plenty of money.
dlk
(12,439 posts)They knowingly and willingly inflicted our country with Trump. He is seriously mentally ill and this is on each and everyone of them.
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McKim
(2,412 posts)In my city we are making plans to take to the streets. This cannot stand.
totodeinhere
(13,334 posts)this cannot stand. It's too late to stop it because it happened already.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)totodeinhere
(13,334 posts)It's too bad we were not more skeptical when Shrub got us into the war in Iraq. But that being said, the Iranians are not stupid and I don't believe that they will allow this to devolve into an all-out war. But we will see.
uponit7771
(91,898 posts)... against a unique threat to the US or an ally.
misanthrope
(8,272 posts)This was easy to coming from a long way off.
burrowowl
(18,048 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Lee has played a major role in the antiwar movement, notable for her vocal criticism of the Iraq War and for being the only member of Congress to vote against the authorization of use of force following the September 11 attacks. Wiki
DispondentRepublican
(23 posts)😱🤪😡💥💥KaBOOM!!💥💥😳🤪😱
burrowowl
(18,048 posts)and probably not our allies either, maybe Israel.
Kablooie
(18,787 posts)As the new Vietnam war starts grinding up our kids.
uponit7771
(91,898 posts)onetexan
(13,905 posts)Skittles
(159,813 posts)it is one fucked up state of affairs
This is horrible.
stillcool
(32,801 posts)they had to have this in the works for a while...it's the 'they' I want to know about. It's infuriating not knowing wtf is going on...but then I could live in the Middle-east.
notinkansas
(1,111 posts)"And, later, when the official US statement about the attack was read and predicated the attack as a "defensive" strike necessary to prevent planned attacks on our personnel, my reaction we---and is---disbelief. Until it is corroborated by sources not allied with or beholden to Trump, I will not believe any such justification for an act of war without Congressional approval."
My first thought when I heard the 'justification' -
And there were weapons of mass destruction. Fool us twice?
Aussie105
(6,355 posts)The paranoid is strong in that thought.
And not a defense in any court of law, unless you can provide irrefutable proof, and in this case, there has been none forthcoming. Just Trump saying 'bad guy, I no like, I kill!'
Meanwhile gasoline prices today (Adelaide, Australia) have peaked at $1.75 AU per liter. That's US $ 4.65 per US gallon.
agincourt
(1,996 posts)Venezuela for logistics and oil, Iran more for rallying his base. It's harder to convince people that Venezuelans are terrorists. North Korea photo ops were a cover. Funny thing, is that when something you expect to happen, happens, it still seems like you are not ready for it. I went to a protest today in Nebraska, but I am still kinda in the "what next?" frame of mind. What's really weird, is that I am thinking of what Trump will do, as much, if not more so than the Iranians. This edition of the apprentice is a drag.