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What happens to our billion dollar embassy if US military is forced to leave Iraq? (Original Post) EveHammond13 Jan 2020 OP
All that will be left is the biggest cultural symbol of ReTHUG party failure malaise Jan 2020 #1
It becomes the 'Museum of US Aggression'. marble falls Jan 2020 #2
We have been expelled by their government. We ARE leaving. Not if but when Arazi Jan 2020 #3
It's a non binding resolution. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #22
Almost all of Iraq's leadership is Shia. They let the Iranian militants attack the embassy Arazi Jan 2020 #24
Not enough information. Igel Jan 2020 #35
It becomes . . . Iliyah Jan 2020 #4
Nothing. dalton99a Jan 2020 #5
and who exactly is going to defend the place once the mob moves in and no troops. sunonmars Jan 2020 #8
Same people - U.S. Marines and Iraqi troops dalton99a Jan 2020 #14
international law, lol. Good one. Events have a way of overtaking things....... sunonmars Jan 2020 #18
Like I said, Iraqis are not that stupid. dalton99a Jan 2020 #19
Not about "being stupid". If troops were not required at the embassy..... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #27
Yeah, because for the last few decades Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #30
Let's not fall into sunk cost fallacy though. It was a waste back then, now it's a bigger waste ck4829 Jan 2020 #6
knowing this lot, it'll be burned to the ground, ripped apart for things. sunonmars Jan 2020 #9
If it happens, it happens. Honestly, looking at the perspective of that lot, that sounds cathartic. ck4829 Jan 2020 #12
Thanks for pointing that falacy out! Newest Reality Jan 2020 #32
It gets shut down and Putin moves in to take it over. OliverQ Jan 2020 #7
+1000 UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #23
+ struggle4progress Jan 2020 #25
I sense a pattern stillcool Jan 2020 #34
New Trump hotel? llmart Jan 2020 #10
Well I'd dare say every Trump hotel is going to need that level of security soon. sunonmars Jan 2020 #11
Russians or Iranians and Iraqis will occupy it and MAGA Suckers will be happy uponit7771 Jan 2020 #13
New Iraqi government offices. roamer65 Jan 2020 #15
This.... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #28
The latest addition to the "Saddam's Old Palaces AirBnB Network"! bullwinkle428 Jan 2020 #16
LOL! EveHammond13 Jan 2020 #20
Iraq rso Jan 2020 #17
New digs for Iraq's new friend, Russia. BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #21
"For Rent" sign goes up..nt at140 Jan 2020 #26
May as well label it for what it really is: Big oil's corporate offices. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2020 #29
US oil companies account for a relatively small share of Iraqi oil. Igel Jan 2020 #36
That's why I did not say "American big oil". KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2020 #37
skate park. we'll subvert the state from within! (nt) stopdiggin Jan 2020 #31
If so, Trump would leave it for his master Putin like he did with the base in Syria. keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #33

malaise

(268,930 posts)
1. All that will be left is the biggest cultural symbol of ReTHUG party failure
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jan 2020

A white elephant in a green zone - that would be perfect

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
24. Almost all of Iraq's leadership is Shia. They let the Iranian militants attack the embassy
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:50 PM
Jan 2020

You think they're going to allow the US to stay now?

Igel

(35,300 posts)
35. Not enough information.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 06:01 PM
Jan 2020

They might want the US to stay after posturing, and possibly getting a bribe.

To say that every Shi'ite wants to be Iran's toy is probably overstating the facts. Small fry have to make a choice: They can be the minion and pawn of a larger power or they can play off powers to establish some breathing space of their own. If you're well within a large imperialist's sphere of influence that can be hard, unless you can find a larger or at least equally large outside imperialist to assist.

Think S. Korea and China. Poland and Russia. Cuba and the US.

It's highly likely that Iraq no wants to be Iran's plaything than Cuba wanted to be the US's. These things change depending on perceived interests--but the key word there is "perceived". "Perceive" requires the thing being perceived as well as the perceiver; I can't look at you and tell what you're perceiving, that you have to tell me or show me by your actions (which might be deceptive or ambiguous).

Even then, the calculations of the leadership can be skewed by the public or by the differential pressure brought to bear by the putative hegemons. For small fry, things are always in flux as you seek the best possible balance.

I don't know what the Iraqi leadership perceives, their goals, or all the pressures they're under.

dalton99a

(81,451 posts)
14. Same people - U.S. Marines and Iraqi troops
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:04 PM
Jan 2020

The host country is responsible for protecting an embassy under international law

It'd be extremely stupid for the Iraqi government to let the mob take over



LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
27. Not about "being stupid". If troops were not required at the embassy.....
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 05:05 PM
Jan 2020

Why WERE THEY THERE? Of course this is a colossal muckup and a huge waste of our taxpayer dollars that we will not get back.

ck4829

(35,045 posts)
6. Let's not fall into sunk cost fallacy though. It was a waste back then, now it's a bigger waste
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:54 AM
Jan 2020

We really shouldn't be defending it if it's evacuated.

ck4829

(35,045 posts)
12. If it happens, it happens. Honestly, looking at the perspective of that lot, that sounds cathartic.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:00 PM
Jan 2020

There has to be a point though where the value of the lives and money spent on the embassy is "equal to or greater than" it.

If we haven't reached that point already, when will we reach it?

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
32. Thanks for pointing that falacy out!
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 05:30 PM
Jan 2020

We need awareness of that particular one these days, and I agree with your assessment.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
23. +1000
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 03:30 PM
Jan 2020

If we are not around then who will be....seems like nobody likes to think about that. But I do and it's gotta be us whether you like it or not.



LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
28. This....
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 05:07 PM
Jan 2020

As a "Gift" of $450 Million Dollars of U.S. Taxpayers Revenue while Americans are still hungry, homeless, lacking healthcare and gas prices are going up for all.

rso

(2,271 posts)
17. Iraq
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jan 2020

Iraq has said it wants US troops to leave, they don’t want to break diplomatic relations. So the Embassy would remain, albeit with a greatly enhanced marine security detachment. Marines defending the Embassy would not be included in the troop expulsion, as they are legally on sovereign US soil.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
29. May as well label it for what it really is: Big oil's corporate offices.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 05:13 PM
Jan 2020

Hoist the corporate flags of big oil and maybe it won't suffer so many rocket attacks.

Would work particularly well if they put up big "help wanted" signs......

No way in hell would I want to be a U.S. government official in that location......

Igel

(35,300 posts)
36. US oil companies account for a relatively small share of Iraqi oil.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 06:06 PM
Jan 2020

BP's bigger, and not American. Rosneft, Lukoil, Chinese and other country's companies have a far greater presence there.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
37. That's why I did not say "American big oil".
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 09:07 PM
Jan 2020

Despite W's and Cheney's wet dreams (and Drumph's, too), we have not dominated their oil resources. I think the Kurds are too smart to let that happen, along with some Shia-controlled political factions.

It is a huge complex mess......

Now I'm curious if Russia and/or China will step in and lend further help to Iran's petro industry after the dust settles.

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