Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:22 PM
Rollerman (42 posts)
Seven Stunning New Pieces of Impeachment Evidence
https://www.alternet.org/2020/01/here-are-7-stunning-new-pieces-of-impeachment-evidence-just-released-by-the-house/amp/?__twitter_impression=true|
1. Rudy Giuliani told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky he’s working with Trump’s “knowledge and consent. 2. In the same letter, Giuliani says he is acting in his “capacity as personal counsel to President Trump.” 3. Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow gave John Dowd, another attorney, permission from the president to defend Igor Furman and Lev Parnas, two of Giuliani’s associates who have been indicted on campaign finance charges, in part, for their Ukraine-related work. 4. Parnas wrote notes on Ritz-Carlton stationery suggesting he was directly involved with the Ukraine scheme. 5. Parnas texted with a man named Robert F. Hyde, believed to be the same person who is running for a House seat in Connecticut, about removing former Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. 6. Parnas was also communicating with Ukrainian officials which, Schiff argued, demonstrated “that Mr. Parnas served as a direct channel between President Trump’s agent, Mr. Giuliani, and individuals close to President Volodymyr Zelensky.” 7. Giuliani tried to get a visa approved for a disgraced former Ukrainian prosecutor.
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Rollerman | Jan 2020 | OP |
Grasswire2 | Jan 2020 | #1 | |
Drum | Jan 2020 | #2 | |
TwilightZone | Jan 2020 | #3 | |
Sanity Claws | Jan 2020 | #7 | |
TwilightZone | Jan 2020 | #9 | |
Sanity Claws | Jan 2020 | #11 | |
calimary | Jan 2020 | #12 | |
BadgerMom | Jan 2020 | #18 | |
TwilightZone | Jan 2020 | #19 | |
BadgerMom | Jan 2020 | #24 | |
Karadeniz | Jan 2020 | #13 | |
Poiuyt | Jan 2020 | #20 | |
smirkymonkey | Jan 2020 | #4 | |
TheBlackAdder | Jan 2020 | #5 | |
MartyTheGreek | Jan 2020 | #6 | |
Perseus | Jan 2020 | #8 | |
DesertRat | Jan 2020 | #10 | |
Karadeniz | Jan 2020 | #14 | |
Haggis for Breakfast | Jan 2020 | #15 | |
SCVDem | Jan 2020 | #16 | |
Pachamama | Jan 2020 | #25 | |
Toorich | Jan 2020 | #17 | |
ReformedGOPer | Jan 2020 | #21 | |
Grokenstein | Jan 2020 | #22 | |
Captain Zero | Jan 2020 | #23 | |
MFM008 | Jan 2020 | #26 | |
gopiscrap | Jan 2020 | #27 | |
UCmeNdc | Jan 2020 | #28 |
Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:23 PM
Grasswire2 (11,868 posts)
1. nice concise review there. Thanks. nt
Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:27 PM
TwilightZone (21,191 posts)
3. Sekulow is on Trump's impeachment team.
It would be interesting if Trump's personal attorney got subpoenaed and had to plead the fifth not to incriminate himself.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #3)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:50 PM
Sanity Claws (20,717 posts)
7. If he is subpoenaed as a witness
then he can't be Trump's attorney. One can't be an attorney in a case in which they are a witness. Very basic rule.
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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #7)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:07 PM
TwilightZone (21,191 posts)
9. Yep, I know.
I just think it would be funny if a member of the team had to drop out because he was subpoenaed, especially Trump's personal lawyer.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #9)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:20 PM
Sanity Claws (20,717 posts)
11. It would be beyond funny
It would be a good strategy to throw the whole team in disarray.
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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #11)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:34 PM
calimary (68,541 posts)
12. I wouldn't mind seeing that!
Whatever is bad for trump is good for all the rest of us.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #9)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:14 PM
BadgerMom (2,382 posts)
18. You know the Republicans would then
subpoena Schiff, right? Please understand, I recognize it would be heavy-duty BS, but DJT said he would like having witnesses if they were VP Biden, Hunter Biden and Schiff.
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Response to BadgerMom (Reply #18)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:21 PM
TwilightZone (21,191 posts)
19. Sekelow was directly involved. Schiff was not.
I don't really see the comparison. Sekelow was mentioned in the new docs, so it would be natural for him to be subpoenaed.
From the OP: 3. Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow gave John Dowd, another attorney, permission from the president to defend Igor Furman and Lev Parnas, two of Giuliani’s associates who have been indicted on campaign finance charges, in part, for their Ukraine-related work. |
Response to TwilightZone (Reply #19)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:27 AM
BadgerMom (2,382 posts)
24. In a logical, just world, I would not be concerned that Schiff would be targeted.
I absolutely see the reasoning that Sekulow should be subpoenaed based on this new information. Schiff, of course, should not be. Agreed.
It’s just that we seem to be operating outside the law and logic. It’s this statement by DJT that unsettled me: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/trump-would-support-witnesses-testifying-senate-trial-if-bidens-were-n1113061 Maybe his impulse would be checked by others. Too often that’s not the case. That’s why it occurred to me. |
Response to TwilightZone (Reply #3)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:56 PM
Karadeniz (15,917 posts)
13. Sekulow has a shady history.
Response to Karadeniz (Reply #13)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:19 AM
Poiuyt (17,359 posts)
20. Everybody in trump's orbit has a shady history
It's a job requirement.
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Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:31 PM
TheBlackAdder (23,409 posts)
5. Trump in October: I'll pay their legal fees. Then, "I don't know those gentlemen."
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Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:45 PM
MartyTheGreek (516 posts)
6. #7. So Trump wanted the corrupt Prosecutor back in Ukraine...
Wasn't he a Putin plant from the beginning?
Once again, aiding and abetting the enemy! |
Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:56 PM
Perseus (4,341 posts)
8. It will be a tragedy if Giuliani is not disbarred and is not sent to jail
What a traitor this MF is.
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Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:59 PM
Karadeniz (15,917 posts)
14. Layer upon layer of corruption...Trump is evil.
Response to Karadeniz (Reply #14)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 10:33 PM
Haggis for Breakfast (6,831 posts)
15. Welcome to the layer cake.
Also an excellent movie.
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Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 10:52 PM
SCVDem (5,103 posts)
16. Let's cut to the chase,
Did tRump put out a hit on the Ambassador?
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Response to SCVDem (Reply #16)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:33 AM
Pachamama (16,468 posts)
25. I think there is a 3rd article of Impeachment coming that will be a 1st in History
And I guess we can believe IMPotus when he says he knew of imminent Embassy attacks - because he was ordering them...
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Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 10:52 PM
Toorich (389 posts)
17. ...tRump didn't say he'd pay for their lawyer...
..... he just agreed to let his lawyer Dowd represent them. Of course, by
doing that, he may have waived certain conflicts of interest, attorney-client privilege and other protections. |
Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:24 AM
ReformedGOPer (478 posts)
21. I am gobsmacked
I have never ever used that word before, but somehow it's the only thing that comes to mind tonight.
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Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:39 AM
Grokenstein (4,991 posts)
22. Robert Hyde has apparently said "Yeah I did that"
Link to tweet “How low can liddle Adam Bull Schiff go. To take some texts my buddy’s and I wrote while we had a few drinks to some dweeb I met a few times.... Bull Schiff is a desperate turd.” If this is true, Hyde's basically telling the world to try and stop him while setting up "I wuz drunk" as an out. Given his history as a loud stupid garbage human, I can see this being legit. He even mirrors Generalissimo Corpulente's childish rhetoric. |
Response to Grokenstein (Reply #22)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:45 AM
Captain Zero (4,271 posts)
23. Trump has driven this cult member (Hyde) NUTS
he is over the edge, probably even a physical danger to Trump as well at this point. His delusional thinking could take him anywhere really fast.
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Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:36 AM
MFM008 (19,637 posts)
26. He may go down in history
as the most impeached person ever known...imagine all the crap hes done in other countries.
Especially the great "deal maker" in Russia. |
Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:16 PM
gopiscrap (22,342 posts)
27. wow thanks for distilling it to simple
talking points to try to educate MAGA's
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Response to Rollerman (Original post)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:57 PM
UCmeNdc (9,124 posts)