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Rollerman

(42 posts)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:22 PM Jan 2020

Seven Stunning New Pieces of Impeachment Evidence

https://www.alternet.org/2020/01/here-are-7-stunning-new-pieces-of-impeachment-evidence-just-released-by-the-house/amp/?__twitter_impression=true|

1. Rudy Giuliani told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky he’s working with Trump’s “knowledge and consent.
2. In the same letter, Giuliani says he is acting in his “capacity as personal counsel to President Trump.”
3. Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow gave John Dowd, another attorney, permission from the president to defend Igor Furman and Lev Parnas, two of Giuliani’s associates who have been indicted on campaign finance charges, in part, for their Ukraine-related work.
4. Parnas wrote notes on Ritz-Carlton stationery suggesting he was directly involved with the Ukraine scheme.
5. Parnas texted with a man named Robert F. Hyde, believed to be the same person who is running for a House seat in Connecticut, about removing former Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch.
6. Parnas was also communicating with Ukrainian officials which, Schiff argued, demonstrated “that Mr. Parnas served as a direct channel between President Trump’s agent, Mr. Giuliani, and individuals close to President Volodymyr Zelensky.”
7. Giuliani tried to get a visa approved for a disgraced former Ukrainian prosecutor.
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Seven Stunning New Pieces of Impeachment Evidence (Original Post) Rollerman Jan 2020 OP
nice concise review there. Thanks. nt Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #1
Damning! nt Drum Jan 2020 #2
Sekulow is on Trump's impeachment team. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #3
If he is subpoenaed as a witness Sanity Claws Jan 2020 #7
Yep, I know. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #9
It would be beyond funny Sanity Claws Jan 2020 #11
I wouldn't mind seeing that! calimary Jan 2020 #12
You know the Republicans would then BadgerMom Jan 2020 #18
Sekelow was directly involved. Schiff was not. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #19
In a logical, just world, I would not be concerned that Schiff would be targeted. BadgerMom Jan 2020 #24
Sekulow has a shady history. Karadeniz Jan 2020 #13
Everybody in trump's orbit has a shady history Poiuyt Jan 2020 #20
K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #4
Trump in October: I'll pay their legal fees. Then, "I don't know those gentlemen." TheBlackAdder Jan 2020 #5
#7. So Trump wanted the corrupt Prosecutor back in Ukraine... MartyTheGreek Jan 2020 #6
It will be a tragedy if Giuliani is not disbarred and is not sent to jail Perseus Jan 2020 #8
k&r DesertRat Jan 2020 #10
Layer upon layer of corruption...Trump is evil. Karadeniz Jan 2020 #14
Welcome to the layer cake. Haggis for Breakfast Jan 2020 #15
Let's cut to the chase, SCVDem Jan 2020 #16
I think there is a 3rd article of Impeachment coming that will be a 1st in History Pachamama Jan 2020 #25
...tRump didn't say he'd pay for their lawyer... Toorich Jan 2020 #17
I am gobsmacked ReformedGOPer Jan 2020 #21
Robert Hyde has apparently said "Yeah I did that" Grokenstein Jan 2020 #22
Trump has driven this cult member (Hyde) NUTS Captain Zero Jan 2020 #23
He may go down in history MFM008 Jan 2020 #26
wow thanks for distilling it to simple gopiscrap Jan 2020 #27
Corruption! UCmeNdc Jan 2020 #28

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
3. Sekulow is on Trump's impeachment team.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:27 PM
Jan 2020

It would be interesting if Trump's personal attorney got subpoenaed and had to plead the fifth not to incriminate himself.

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
7. If he is subpoenaed as a witness
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:50 PM
Jan 2020

then he can't be Trump's attorney. One can't be an attorney in a case in which they are a witness. Very basic rule.

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
9. Yep, I know.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:07 PM
Jan 2020

I just think it would be funny if a member of the team had to drop out because he was subpoenaed, especially Trump's personal lawyer.

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
18. You know the Republicans would then
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:14 PM
Jan 2020

subpoena Schiff, right? Please understand, I recognize it would be heavy-duty BS, but DJT said he would like having witnesses if they were VP Biden, Hunter Biden and Schiff.

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
19. Sekelow was directly involved. Schiff was not.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:21 PM
Jan 2020

I don't really see the comparison. Sekelow was mentioned in the new docs, so it would be natural for him to be subpoenaed.

From the OP:

3. Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow gave John Dowd, another attorney, permission from the president to defend Igor Furman and Lev Parnas, two of Giuliani’s associates who have been indicted on campaign finance charges, in part, for their Ukraine-related work.

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
24. In a logical, just world, I would not be concerned that Schiff would be targeted.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:27 AM
Jan 2020

I absolutely see the reasoning that Sekulow should be subpoenaed based on this new information. Schiff, of course, should not be. Agreed.

It’s just that we seem to be operating outside the law and logic. It’s this statement by DJT that unsettled me:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/trump-would-support-witnesses-testifying-senate-trial-if-bidens-were-n1113061

Maybe his impulse would be checked by others. Too often that’s not the case. That’s why it occurred to me.

TheBlackAdder

(28,183 posts)
5. Trump in October: I'll pay their legal fees. Then, "I don't know those gentlemen."
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:31 PM
Jan 2020

.

Ilya Marritz
?Verified account @ilyamarritz

Trump, in October: "I don't know those gentlemen"

Trump, also in October: approves legal counsel for "those gentlemen"





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MartyTheGreek

(565 posts)
6. #7. So Trump wanted the corrupt Prosecutor back in Ukraine...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:45 PM
Jan 2020

Wasn't he a Putin plant from the beginning?

Once again, aiding and abetting the enemy!

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
8. It will be a tragedy if Giuliani is not disbarred and is not sent to jail
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:56 PM
Jan 2020

What a traitor this MF is.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
25. I think there is a 3rd article of Impeachment coming that will be a 1st in History
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:33 AM
Jan 2020

And I guess we can believe IMPotus when he says he knew of imminent Embassy attacks - because he was ordering them...

Toorich

(391 posts)
17. ...tRump didn't say he'd pay for their lawyer...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 10:52 PM
Jan 2020

..... he just agreed to let his lawyer Dowd represent them. Of course, by
doing that, he may have waived certain conflicts of interest, attorney-client privilege
and other protections.

ReformedGOPer

(478 posts)
21. I am gobsmacked
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:24 AM
Jan 2020

I have never ever used that word before, but somehow it's the only thing that comes to mind tonight.

Grokenstein

(5,722 posts)
22. Robert Hyde has apparently said "Yeah I did that"
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:39 AM
Jan 2020



“How low can liddle Adam Bull Schiff go. To take some texts my buddy’s and I wrote while we had a few drinks to some dweeb I met a few times.... Bull Schiff is a desperate turd.”


If this is true, Hyde's basically telling the world to try and stop him while setting up "I wuz drunk" as an out.
Given his history as a loud stupid garbage human, I can see this being legit.
He even mirrors Generalissimo Corpulente's childish rhetoric.

Captain Zero

(6,801 posts)
23. Trump has driven this cult member (Hyde) NUTS
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:45 AM
Jan 2020

he is over the edge, probably even a physical danger to Trump as well at this point. His delusional thinking could take him anywhere really fast.

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
26. He may go down in history
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:36 AM
Jan 2020

as the most impeached person ever known...imagine all the crap hes done in other countries.
Especially the great "deal maker" in Russia.

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