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****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/23/20 THREAD 3****

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Reply ****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/23/20 THREAD 3**** (Original post)
BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 OP
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Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #4
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hedda_foil Jan 2020 #21
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UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #55
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Mersky Jan 2020 #22
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Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #11
bdamomma Jan 2020 #13
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #12
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Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #15
Mersky Jan 2020 #16
bdamomma Jan 2020 #17
Blaukraut Jan 2020 #19
bdamomma Jan 2020 #20
Miles Archer Jan 2020 #46
BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #18
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Kali Jan 2020 #24
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Kali Jan 2020 #26
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underpants Jan 2020 #28
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #35
BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #29
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Mersky Jan 2020 #31
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #32
BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #34
elleng Jan 2020 #36
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #83
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Mersky Jan 2020 #41
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ancianita Jan 2020 #51
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ancianita Jan 2020 #82
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Mersky Jan 2020 #50
sprinkleeninow Jan 2020 #89
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BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #57
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UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #62
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C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #65
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tishaLA Jan 2020 #67
elleng Jan 2020 #68
Kali Jan 2020 #72
live love laugh Jan 2020 #69
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nolabear Jan 2020 #77
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gademocrat7 Jan 2020 #88
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Mme. Defarge Jan 2020 #74
Zoonart Jan 2020 #80
Blaukraut Jan 2020 #75
BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #76
Zoonart Jan 2020 #81
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #85
ancianita Jan 2020 #84
dweller Jan 2020 #86
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:16 PM

1. The Senators have concluded their dinner break and are back in session

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:17 PM

2. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) up to resume his narrative documenting "quid pro quos"

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:30 PM

3. "'Read the transcript!' says Drumpf", "We have read it"

"and it is damning evidence of a quid pro quo"

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:36 PM

4. did he say "infected" U.S. policy?

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:38 PM

5. Don't remember

(have been typing stuff and listening)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:39 PM

7. I have cc going as well as audio, but wasn't sure of either

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:42 PM

10. Sometimes my cc will miss some words

and then skip to a new sentence... Luckily Jeffries is speaking slowly enough for it to capture it pretty well though.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:53 PM

21. Yes.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:27 PM

33. Thank you!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:00 PM

55. I do wish they would stop calling it a transcript though when it's not. nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:04 PM

56. I think they are generally quoting what Drumpf is calling it

I think they know it's like a call summary memo...

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:08 PM

59. AAANNNNDDDD Schiff heard you all the way from DU

and he just mentioned no, "it's not really a transcript" but a "call record".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:11 PM

61. I'm watching and thought the same thing. Go get em Adam. nt

 

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:38 PM

6. nice chart of phone records

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:58 PM

22. So good, I had to take a picture of it

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:39 PM

8. Jeffries has been stepping thru the morning of July 25th

Showing there was a chain of communications from tRump to Sondland, then from Sondland to Volker via text and voicemail, then Volker to Yermak the morning before tRump spoke with Zelensky on the infamous perfect* call.

He then played a clip showing Sondland agreeing to that string of contacts.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:40 PM

9. Jeffries busting out the call records between Ghouliani and multiple WH numbers

Don't know who the mysterious "-1" phone is.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:45 PM

11. individual-1 maybe. he's a big minus.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:48 PM

13. Sounds

pretty accurate.

Hakeem is really good.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:46 PM

12. Jeffries pointed out how specific the demands were

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:48 PM

14. Jeffries has concluded and Sylvia Garcia (D-NY) is up

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:49 PM

16. Clip of Kent saying that giuliani was "infecting US engagement with Ukraine"

Then went on to relate giuliani’s August 9 meeting with Yermak (Zelensky’s top aide) in Madrid.

He provided texts between giuliani, officials, and Yermak surrounding the Madrid meeting showing language consistent with the various sides of the discussion fully aware of perquisites for a meeting amounting to a quid pro quo.

Also included the phone records showing giuliani contacting the WH via calls and texts along the time giuliani was meeting with Yermak in Madrid.

Eta: this is a summary from the last part of Jeffries presentation

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:49 PM

17. You cannot

walk away from the evidence, IT IS ALL THERE.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:50 PM

19. 53 assholes are going to do exactly that.

Walk away from the evidence.

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Response to Blaukraut (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:53 PM

20. That is when

the crap will hit the fan. Those of us who have a brain know the truth and the facts. We will rise up.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:27 PM

46. It's been like the Delta House trial in "Animal House."

Stories about Lindsey Graham turning his back when Schiff was speaking, senators slipping out to talk to Fox News, smirking, laughing, all kinds of Republican maturity. The cameras can't show it. The anecdotes have been surfacing.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:50 PM

18. Jeffries-"What keeps us free from tyranny is the sacred principal that no one is above the law"

(his conclusion before Garcia started)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:01 PM

23. Garcia has been stepping through all the issues of the State Department dealing with

a whole set of discussions that went around the normal State Department channels.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:04 PM

24. the Vindman message to his Dad

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Response to Kali (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:05 PM

25. I remember watching that live

and was so glad that the people in the hearing room gave him a round of applause!!!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:07 PM

26. me too

REAL patriots

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:16 PM

27. Garcia summarzing their presentation of info associated with the withholding the Oval Office meeting

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:18 PM

28. I'd actually like them to go through the RW talking points and refute them

These days it's called "fact checking".

Look the defense is going to be the ridiculous and obviously contradictory pablum of talk radio and Fox News. The one that kills me is that Trump couldn't defend himself (his lawyer's were invited in the House) because there was no direct testimony from fact based witnesses (there was). That's the ACTUAL SECOND ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT.

I'd really love to see that.

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Response to underpants (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:30 PM

35. I expect Nadler and Schiff to do that before they close.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:20 PM

29. She is giving an excellent presentation on the importance of making a stand

against abuse of power.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:21 PM

30. ***5 MINUTE BREAK***

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:23 PM

31. Garcia supported how Zelensky came into office as a reformer/unwilling to go along with the scheme

Clip of Taylor describing Zelensky as a reformer by installing reformist ministers, anti corruption measures, and opening anti corruption courts.

...
Ukrainian official Danyliuk expressed Zelensky‘s resistance to becoming involved in tRump’s political scheme.

Text dated July 21 from Taylor to Sondland expressing that he and Kent had discussed how Danyliuk had said that Zelensky wanted to be taken seriously and not “merely an instrument in Washington domestic, reelection politics.”

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:26 PM

32. PBS panel for break: 3 GOP, 1 Dem ...

Mostly talking about all the Republicans they talked to in the halls.

Disgusting. Nothing like the old McNeil - Lehrer report days.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:28 PM

34. I'm on MSNBC

because the RW loons were jamming the CSPAN2 call lines.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:36 PM

36. Why do you watch PBS, as you hate it so much?

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Response to elleng (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:53 PM

83. can't stream reliably; ABC, CBS, NBC cut coverage short

I'm stuck with it.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:39 PM

37. ****BACK IN SESSION****

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:39 PM

38. Val Demmings (D-FL) is now up to continue the narrative - now talking about the funds hold

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:54 PM

39. Demmings has concluded emphasizing that "our word" must "mean something"

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:55 PM

40. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) is now up to continue to discuss the Ukraine aid angle

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:02 PM

41. Oof, I was fairly distracted during Demings' section

But it angers me that the DoD put out a press release on June 18 announcing aid to Ukraine, and know that tRump, with the help of OMB machinations, sat on it for another nearly three months.

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Really wanted to watch all of her presentation, dang it.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:05 PM

42. As part of the funding review process

DOD had to do a certification - and that is what was done. And knowing that the funding would expire by the end of the fiscal year, they got their approval done and announced with just barely enough time to get it obligated by September 30 ASSUMING it wasn't held up.

But as we know, it WAS held up, and eventually Congress had to pass legislation in order to revise the funding stipulations so that the portion not able to be obligated in time, could cross fiscal years.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:25 PM

45. Thanks, yeah, it shouldn't have taken an act of Congress

To cleanup it up. Were congressionally allocated to begin with, and Ukraine met the congressionally determined requirements according to the DoD.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:30 PM

48. When "the boss" holds up the funding

because he has no idea (nor cares) how the government works, then you get to that point where Congress has to fix the problems created by the clueless business conman.

The government is not a "business" (as the swamp things in the WH have discovered).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:44 PM

53. Sure, he can carpet his head and airplanes all he wants

But oughta leave Congress’s marble alone.

According to Business Insider, after a year and a half Trump Shuttle had lost $128m, due to a combination of oil prices rising thanks to the Gulf war and the folly of Trump spending $1m on cladding each aircraft with gold fixtures and impractically plush carpets. [div]
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/15/trump-shuttle-airline-branding-failure

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Response to Mersky (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:48 PM

54. He would probably try to rip the statues out of Statuary Hall

to put in Mar A Largo and would whine if told they are not to be moved.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #54)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:42 PM

79. Indeed.

I added that link in there, in case folks hadn’t heard about the plush carpet thing.

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Anyways, thank you, for hanging in there. I went spiral eyes from hunger about an hour ago. I always prefer these threads remain really active, and like to contribute to that. Am gonna have to rework my strategies for maintaining through this endurance test. It’s worth it.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:10 PM

43. Lofgren going through all the efforts to lift the hold on the funding

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:22 PM

44. Lofgren underscoring the whole issue of the Impoundment Control Act

and GAO's decision on the administration's violation of that Act by withholding the funding - and moreso, pointing out how an appointee was inserted in the approval chain to execute the hold, and that individual was also someone unfamiliar with the law.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:28 PM

47. Lofgren has concluded and is handing off to Jason Crow (D-CO) to continue...

He is noting they are almost done.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:31 PM

49. Crow: "Dirt for Dollars"

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:38 PM

51. Lead manager, I think, has some influence in the style of the others. It's a professional

set of presentations with subtle edge. Defending doesn't have to be a somnambulent affair.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:41 PM

52. Except for Demmings, the rest of the Managers are lawyers

and you can tell who has experience as a "trial lawyer" (most lawyers aren't trial lawyers).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:52 PM

82. Not for nothing, a former chief of police has a whole other level of credibility of its own.

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Floridians who've watched her here are going to keep her in office. She's she's good optics for the state and the South, and she upped the state's rep a notch. Garcia from Texas did the same for that region.

Our team is from every region of the country, and those regions have got to feel elevated by the brilliance and professionalism of their Democrats, and this builds much more trust in the party nationwide.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #82)

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 06:13 AM

95. Oh definitely

Demmings, having a law enforcement background means that she knows all aspects of the legal system, and notably the "evidence gathering" side and what is needed to bring charges.

And yup, Nancy Pelosi selected an outstanding, diverse, and experienced team.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:36 PM

50. Slide: President tRump's Corrupt Intent: Politically Motivated Investigations

1. The July 25th Call
2. Confirmed by multiple US officials
3. Hold was lifted only after scheme was exposed
4. No other legitimate explanation
5. Chief of Staff confessed: “Why we held up the money”
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Crow is lining out support for each item

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Response to Mersky (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:27 AM

89. Magnificent! 👍👊

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #89)

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:33 AM

91. I really like those argument summary slides

And gosh, they’ve come packed with the clips and records to back them up. It’s amazing, isn’t it? Laying it all out chronologically - has been breathtaking.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #91)

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:47 AM

93. Did me proud.

I'm hating all of this. Cannot believe it's actually happening.

Been ill in my soul since November 2016, but never envisioned anything such as this.

Truth and righteousness as I have learned them and know them are conquering forces. May these be the forces that actualize 'our' victory.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:06 PM

57. Crow is now handing off to Schiff for a brief recap of today

and they they are done and will begin again tomorrow.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:06 PM

58. Schiff is up...

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:11 PM

60. Schiff is running through the info in the infamous "call"

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:23 PM

62. Adam Schiff is just so damn good. nt

 

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:26 PM

63. Schiff is now arguing why Drumpf should be removed

And is going after Ghouliani. Drumpf chose to believe Ghouliani rather than our intelligent agencies.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #63)

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:30 AM

90. Heheh.

Marry me, Adam! 😍

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:27 PM

64. Ooooooooooooo going after Ghouliani

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:27 PM

65. Schiff continues to rock the Senate

He's all A-Game, all the time. This is so remarkable. I'm so proud of this good man.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:29 PM

66. Schiff: "There's no mulligan when it comes to our national security"

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #66)

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:53 AM

94. That's gonna leave a mark with the golf cheat

 

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:30 PM

67. Schiff is just unbelievably good

in his argument about why tRump needs to be removed from office NOW rather than after the election.

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Response to tishaLA (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:31 PM

68. If 'right' doesn't matter, doesn't matter how good the Constitution is.

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Response to elleng (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:33 PM

72. right matters

the truth matters

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:31 PM

69. Schiff. nt

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:31 PM

70. Schiff: "That's what they did in the "old country".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:33 PM

71. Schiff conclusion: "Right matters and the truth matters otherwise we are lost."

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #71)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:38 PM

77. Twitter is giving him a standing o and saying the floor is packed.

I can’t watch right now but he seems to be knocking it out of the park again.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #77)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:42 PM

78. Academy Award winning concluding statement

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #78)

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:12 AM

88. Stellar closing statement!

Rep. Adam Schiff is outstanding!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:33 PM

73. ***ADJOURNED FOR THE DAY***

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:33 PM

74. Because right matters

and the truth matters, otherwise we’re lost.

There it is.

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #74)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:47 PM

80. Indeed...there it is.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:34 PM

75. I'm crying. Gawddammit, Schiff n/t

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:35 PM

76. Thank you to all who were dedicated enough and had the stamina to add to these threads!!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:47 PM

81. Thanks to you BRDS!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:59 PM

85. Thank you BumRushDaShow! ...

I missed huge chunks tonight and really appreciate your updates. (Hermits don't expect visitors).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:56 PM

84. Ditto! Go on witcha bad self!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:59 PM

86. ...

People are wrong to say that we have no heroes left.
Just as they have always been, they are all around us,
choosing to do the right thing, no matter what.

Given my role here, how should i behave?

✌🏼

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:07 AM

87. Never thought I'd see an orator in this era that exceeded Barak Obama...

But I think Adam Schiff does - and that is high praise indeed from someone in awe of Obama's speech giving skills!

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Response to ElementaryPenguin (Reply #87)

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:33 AM

92. I have several books

of great American speeches, and a couple of great speeches throughout the history of the world. Adam Schiff hit that level tonight. I am in awe.

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