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"Shambles?" "Hands an Opening To Trump"? "A Complete Disaster"?
Come on, "liberal" media, get a fucking grip.
Has anyone in America ever heard of gaslighting??
Are media really going do that to Americans, or are they going to just try to do their f'n jobs.
OR could media be all nutty because networks didn't get their immediate answer -- oh noes, what will corporate sponsors say!
A verified correct result, backed by paper counts from the precincts, will be accurate.
The world won't end because we need to wait.
And it might as well be Iowa as any other state.
"End-user" problems. Big deal. Like it didn't happen in FL in 2000.
But media might just lose their fucking minds. Telling us all to lose ours ... oh noes!
Don't believe the hype about a "messed up system."
"End user" problems build end user awareness.
Wounded Bear
(58,634 posts)the endless hype parade is tiresome.
It's a primary, not the final election.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)"fix," all the responsibility for America's "healing" only Democrats have to worry about.
I never hear a damn thing about any "they" who snigger in the background as we try to engage the country with 20 candidates, issues, reading, learning how this government works, and how corruption doesn't work.
Hyping is what media do. No. It can help in getting voters everywhere caring about voting. It can hurt if the humans trying new stuff can't get it right and perfect on first run.
We can't fall for this "perfect being the enemy of the good" crap that we get dumped on us every damn day over dumb technical crap, and even high court constitutional stuff.
The very people who fall for this are in chomping-at-the-bit horse racey media.
But we shouldn't.
SKKY
(11,802 posts)...several years back. First, Santorum was declared the winner only to find out a couple of weeks later it was actually Ron Paul who won. Iowa gonna Iowa I guess.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)rpannier
(24,329 posts)QC Times
In 2012, Iowa Republicans reported late on caucus night that Mitt Romney won a close race over Rick Santorum. After a recount, it was discovered that Santorum had actually beaten Romney.
SKKY
(11,802 posts)...up with it. Although for some reason I feel like Paul was involved/affected. Not sure why his name sticks with me on that.
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)You are correct. As mentioned in my post below, Ron Paul was eventually awarded the majority of the Republican Iowa delegates.
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)I am really discouraged with what I have been reading here this morning.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)True Blue American
(17,982 posts)That is why I am disappointed with the hysteria!
ancianita
(36,017 posts)True Blue American
(17,982 posts)malaise
(268,885 posts)was this sabotage by the Con's goons or did Dems sabotage themselves?
ancianita
(36,017 posts)It's about being human, and trying to get an honest count in spite of "end user" problems with the app system.
We'll be fine. It's not time to worry yet.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't stay clear, though.
Bettie
(16,086 posts)and too few people working the phone system at first.
The results are there, we're just not going to have them right away.
For people who want hand marked ballots with paper and pencil, get used to a delay, because we won't have instant results. Ever.
murielm99
(30,730 posts)If it helps us move away from caucuses in all the states, that will be a good thing.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)on anything electronic, based on all the past problems we've had. And those problems still exist. So any other method isn't necessarily a good thing.
I'm sure you're aware of what we've tried.
There's no one solution to creating an honest election across a country this large.
Except an honestly well-monitored paper trail voting system, if we have to choose just one.
Honesty has always been the elephant in the room problem, from paper to electronic systems.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts).... doesn't exclude a paper trail. Its a lot easier and more inclusive than than.... whatever it is they do in a caucus.
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)John1956PA
(2,654 posts)Immediately after the 2012 Republican Iowa caucus, Romney was said to be the winner by 8 votes. However, the certified results issued seventeen days later declared Santorum as the winner. Unfortunately, tallies from eight precincts were lost, causing the true outcome to remain unknown.
From Wikipedia:
To make matters worse, in June of 2012, the winner of Iowa's Republican delegates eventually went to Ron Paul.
From https://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-wins-iowa-caucuses-2012-6 :
The media should emphasize that Glitches in Iowa caucuses have beset both parties.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)Thanks for this!
KPN
(15,642 posts)as well. The only system I have faith in is Oregons paper mail-in with option of using a secure drop box right up till 8 on on Election Day. It works: paper trail, few irregularities with no major ones that I am aware of in the 12 or 15 years since the mail in ballot system was implemented, and it gets higher voter participation rates generally.
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)Tom Harkin with Joni Earnest and has elected Chuck Grassley ley for as long as I can remember should not be first in anything.
malaise
(268,885 posts)and DUers should send it to M$Greedia who appear to have very short memories.
treestar
(82,383 posts)is always the order of the day.
They will only take longer to get the results.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)The good everyday people things are what we must hold to in this election. Trust each other.
gab13by13
(21,290 posts)Tell that to Joe Biden. He is adding fuel to the fire.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)If you think he's in for the win, he is. But he's also not going to throw Iowans under the bus over an "end user" problem.
KPN
(15,642 posts)prefer as far as primary election system goes. Id feel the same with any State primary election system unless it was a system intended to suppress participation by certain categories of voters.
I also have strong concerns about Iowa being first in the nation however. Ive never fully understood that and do suspect that its at least in part driven by media preference. The media loves the yearlong courting of Iowans and New Hampshirites that occurs every 4 years. Frankly, our Presidential election system needs some overall scrutiny and alteration in my opinion. But thats another topic.
voteearlyvoteoften
(1,716 posts)Many volunteers in politics. Few full time jobs. Looks bad but lets move on now.
LAS14
(13,781 posts)Bettie
(16,086 posts)only a delay in getting vote counts.
Not even remotely the same thing.
LAS14
(13,781 posts)... seriousness of the event????
Bettie
(16,086 posts)might have had something to do with it....
Omaha Steve
(99,573 posts)This post belongs in primaries.