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Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:53 PM

Evangelicals are a big part of the problem.

I was talking to an evangelical this morning and I brought up Trump. She told me that he's been a big part of rooting out corruption in this country. And she told me she believes every single word of the Bible is true.

I don't know how anyone could believe that Trump is rooting out corruption, unless their brain has gone missing.

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Reply Evangelicals are a big part of the problem. (Original post)
milestogo Feb 2020 OP
wcmagumba Feb 2020 #1
CanonRay Feb 2020 #2
The Genealogist Feb 2020 #3
jayschool2013 Feb 2020 #24
Blue_playwright Feb 2020 #54
jayschool2013 Feb 2020 #59
Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #4
Dem2theMax Feb 2020 #21
lunasun Feb 2020 #5
Duppers Feb 2020 #36
CaptainTruth Feb 2020 #6
stopbush Feb 2020 #7
bitterross Feb 2020 #8
stopbush Feb 2020 #9
LakeArenal Feb 2020 #35
Butterflylady Feb 2020 #55
hunter Feb 2020 #10
rickyhall Feb 2020 #40
Different Drummer Feb 2020 #11
milestogo Feb 2020 #20
Dem2theMax Feb 2020 #23
Arkansas Granny Feb 2020 #12
FiveGoodMen Feb 2020 #15
Jake Stern Feb 2020 #60
Zeus69 Feb 2020 #13
3Hotdogs Feb 2020 #27
rockfordfile Feb 2020 #14
overleft Feb 2020 #25
Skidmore Feb 2020 #16
safeinOhio Feb 2020 #28
Leith Feb 2020 #17
Runningdawg Feb 2020 #18
mwooldri Feb 2020 #19
ooky Feb 2020 #22
SammyWinstonJack Feb 2020 #67
Newest Reality Feb 2020 #26
Brother Mythos Feb 2020 #29
Laelth Feb 2020 #30
gembaby1 Feb 2020 #31
Maggiemayhem Feb 2020 #51
Faux pas Feb 2020 #32
Pepsidog Feb 2020 #33
smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #63
calguy Feb 2020 #34
DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #37
TNNurse Feb 2020 #38
lambchopp59 Feb 2020 #43
patphil Feb 2020 #39
Catch2.2 Feb 2020 #41
tiredtoo Feb 2020 #42
milestogo Feb 2020 #58
Lucky Luciano Feb 2020 #44
Hulk Feb 2020 #45
secondwind Feb 2020 #46
stuntcat Feb 2020 #56
LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #47
bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #48
peoli Feb 2020 #49
IronLionZion Feb 2020 #50
hamsterjill Feb 2020 #52
LiberalArkie Feb 2020 #53
I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2020 #57
Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #61
milestogo Feb 2020 #64
Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #65
hunter Feb 2020 #68
raccoon Feb 2020 #62
Maraya1969 Feb 2020 #66
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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:56 PM

1. Point on...

some kind of mass deprogramming required...

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:58 PM

2. They've been the problem for forty years.

And getting worse.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:58 PM

3. I'd like these people to tell me what corruption he is rooting out.

I really don't hear much in the way of specifics. As far as I can tell, the only thing he has done since he got in office is golf and manufacture corruption. If corruption were a commodity, he'd have a significant portion of the market cornered.

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Response to The Genealogist (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:03 PM

24. The "Deep State"

Every time we read something in the Times, the Post or some other reputable news source about bureaucrats resigning in protest, the alternate right-wing media universe celebrates it as Trump further draining the swamp.

Until we can get to a point where we're all reading our news from similar sources, we'll never understand how the other can believe what appears to be the exact opposite of reality.

And I have my doubts whether we'll get to that point without some catastrophic upheaval. When those in my chosen profession are being singled out as the enemies of the state, we're not in a good place, obviously.

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Response to jayschool2013 (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:39 PM

54. Waves...hello from fellow writer and former journalist nt

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Response to Blue_playwright (Reply #54)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:41 PM

59. Back at ya

Sometimes it's tough to read posts in the forums about the alleged crimes of the "M$M" or the generic "media." We make our mistakes, of course, but the cynical view from which so many people see journalists is discouraging.

Peace.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:58 PM

4. The only corruption that Trump fights is weeding out the competition...nt

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:57 PM

21. That needs to be on a bumper sticker and a t-shirt.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:58 PM

5. He knew they were a gullible crowd . Sorry but it was a crack move to bring Pence on. I have to

give him evil credit on that alliance . They need proof of nothing and take him at his word

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Response to lunasun (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:38 PM

36. Just like their religion...

They need proof of nothing.






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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:04 PM

6. Trump figured out long ago that he could con gullible people.


He's been using it to his advantage ever since.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:06 PM

7. The BuyBull. What a piece of shit that book is.

Any correlation between people who believe the fantasies of the BuyBull being predisposed to believing the fantasies offered by Rs since Raygun?

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:07 PM

8. "Every, single word of the Bible is true" That should be a clue

 

If anyone tells you the Bible is the literal, inerrant word of "GOD" you should stop trying to logically discuss anything with them. Turn, and run away. They will have proven they are not capable of critical thinking. You are not going to change the years and years of their indoctrination in a short conversation.

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Response to bitterross (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:10 PM

9. The most-important BuyBull verse ever:

“There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.” - Ezekiel 20:23

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Response to stopbush (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:38 PM

35. I like Mathew 6.5

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.
Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

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Response to bitterross (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:48 PM

55. Just gonna say that........

She's beyond help!

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:19 PM

10. Right wing Catholics are just as bad.

The Church is deeply fractured between Social Justice Catholics and Catholic Fascists.

Authoritarian religious people of any sort, whatever god or gods they claim to worship, are cut from the same cloth.

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Response to hunter (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:47 PM

40. Why Martin Luther left The Church - Hypocrisy

What JC hated most - Hypocrisy.
What right wingers are the picture of - Hypocrisy.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:19 PM

11. ...

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Response to Different Drummer (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:56 PM

20. +1000

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Response to Different Drummer (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:02 PM

23. It needs a few words added to it.

It needs the words 'Trump voters' on it.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:23 PM

12. I read an article several months ago that explained that evangelicals are conditioned by

their belief to accept authoritarian leaders. The author maintained that was the reason they stick with Trump regardless what he does.

I don't know if that's true, but it would help to explain their blind fealty.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:34 PM

15. I remember growing up hearing about the "freedom to obey"

Authoritarian is a MILD word for what they are.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:50 PM

60. Years back I was invited to visit a evangelical, Independent Baptist type church by a friend

The thing that struck me right away was how the Pastor's word was law. These folks weren't asking him advice on something - they were asking him for PERMISSION.

One woman had brought up that she was offered a better paying job but he shot it down as soon as he learned she wouldn't be able to attend church on Sunday nights and Wednesday nights. He said, with a look of complete seriousness, "No, you're not!" and she and her husband nodded approvingly.

This was just over the line in MO.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:30 PM

13. Scary shit

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Response to Zeus69 (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:20 PM

27. All that, and he's still alive?

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:33 PM

14. Nazis thought of Hitler the same

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:13 PM

25. That is the scary part.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:41 PM

16. When you confront them on

immorality and his personal corruption, they talk about his economy. When you bring up racism, they talk about we love all and refuse to engage. When you talk about treatment of the poor, immigrants, LGBTQ and children, they go hard core Leviticus. When you speak of women's rights, we are back at Adam's rib and bearing children in pain to pay for Adam not following rules.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:22 PM

28. Ask them about those words in red.

If you quote the OT and not those words in red, I don’t think you are a Christian. Also if they can quote the 10 Commandments and not 8 Beatitudes.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:48 PM

17. Perhaps she misspoke

He roots for corruption. He doesn't root out corruption.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:51 PM

18. She was raised to believe whatever the men in her life told her was true and never to question it.

I have friends still in the cult. That's the way they raised their kids and that's the way their grandkids will be raised. It's like domestic or sexual abuse, its generational.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:54 PM

19. Like "Two Corinthians" for example?

Trump couldn't get that right...

As a Christian I do believe it is the word of God, as written by mankind. Mainly men though. And as humans we are not infallible and make errors. Plus the writings are hundreds and thousands of years old and other evidence contradicts what the Bible says.

There are progressive Christians out there.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:00 PM

22. I would have to ask her what made her think that

he is rooting out corruption.

I'd probably ignore the other comment. These people believe they are going to fly away.

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Response to ooky (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 16, 2020, 06:04 PM

67. Wish they would "fly" away. Morons.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:18 PM

26. The more you read up on them...

The more of the problem you see. The underlying impetus would be to establish a theocracy with some sort of fetish for Mosaic Law, (which is not only archaic, but rather barbaric by our secular standards).

Again, theocracy is in direct opposition to democracy and I oppose anything that opposes democracy, because you and I, all of us, ARE democracy and that means they oppose us as citizens of this country and its common, established principles.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:22 PM

29. God save me from evangelicals.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:23 PM

30. Linus agrees.

Sally isn't so sure.



-Laelth

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:28 PM

31. Evangelicals have problems with brain abnormalities

So that’s not surprising. The woman is in a cult and these people have nothing to do with true Christianity.

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Response to gembaby1 (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:22 PM

51. It's also a quick buck. Scam and con the gullible.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:30 PM

32. They're brain washed

why do you think they're "evangelicals"

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:32 PM

33. Evangelicals should be called Hypocriticals. I can't stand them.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 16, 2020, 07:29 AM

63. They are complete idiots.

Possibly the dumbest people on the planet.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:37 PM

34. I was born and raised in an evangelical church family

We weren't a hard core Christian family but my parents did send us to the parochial christian school operated by our church. The only reason we went there was because my mom went there So she sent us there too. So from kindergarten until 8th grade I was indoctrinated every day in the teachings of the Evangelical Lutheran Church. As we were going through the grades whenever one of us kids had a question the minister or teacher could not answer their response was always " Do not question the word of God. Nor should you question the minister, who is God's spokesman, nor anyone in the church" So these people are taught not to question anything or even think of questioning anything their church says. Classic brainwashing in the name of Jesus. They'll follow trump through the gates of Hell if their leaders tell them to, because they have been trained not to question anything they've been told. This is why they so willingly follow trump even though he violates everything they stand for, because their leaders tell them not to question anything they say, and they don't.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:39 PM

37. A Nation of Sheep.......50+ million of them.

Some one, Newsweek?, described (seriously) the brain washing effect of listening to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh for years on end as their only source of information, and that alone would create the same effect.....

That and watching continuous "Reality TV" which would soon distort and cloud any viewer's comprehension of any and all rational thinking about even the simplest legitimate reality....

We have all questioned, "are all these people "brainwashed" ????????

It's as if they were held captive in a NorthComm/Re-education camp for years..........

All the Repubs had to do, was look around for an already existing, huge group of "followers", and bingo.........an instantaneous loyal group.
Then find a reality TV star that could wind them up............

Then, gather all the Republican corporate men and/or wealthy. Next, increase these top dogs wealth with ludicrous tax cuts, increasing all their wealth substantially overnight and you are off to the races........

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:46 PM

38. I call them Evangelicals, never add Christian to it.

Because I do not see one bit of Christianity in there values.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:54 PM

43. I call them fundies or fundamentalists

because there is so little "angelic" intention or actions behind the "evangelicals".

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:47 PM

39. I've come to realize that a lot of right wing Christians are not big into critical thinking.

I tell people that the old testament is worthless as a spiritual guide.
Jesus didn't teach old testament ideas. He brought forth a new, love based, way of thinking and living, and true Catholics and Christians should only pay attention to the New Testament if they want to follow the path of Jesus.

Pat Phillips

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:51 PM

41. Sadly

"I don't know how anyone could believe that Trump is rooting out corruption, unless their brain has gone missing."


Sadly this is about 40% of the population.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:54 PM

42. on facebook there is a post

Showing the MAGA hat and something from the bible about the anti-christ and how his followers will carry his mark on their foreheads. I dug this up from the bible.

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits."

In doing so I remembered the part about trees that don't bear fruit should be cut down and thrown into the fire. An evangelical preacher said those words in condemnation of Gays.
I was at the service because my grandson was getting baptized there. Sad to say.

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Response to tiredtoo (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:36 PM

58. I don't believe in this stuff, but Trump seems like a good candidate for the anti-christ himself.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:55 PM

44. Her brain is missing

I believe every word of the Bible is pretty much equivalent to believing fuckface.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:56 PM

45. Radical Islamists.....our answer radical evangeliKKKals

I don't even consider them Christians any longer. They are to Christianity what the "jihadist terrorists" are to Islam. They distort and selectively pick pieces of the holy book to fit their demonic form of religious righteousness.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:01 PM

46. They are waiting for the End Days... They think Trump is the person, ugh.

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Response to secondwind (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:51 PM

56. Agree

I agree, they think he’s going to bring the end times.

Evangelicals + racists + The Selfish + The Stupid = enough people to re-elect him. Anyone thinking we’re better than this is wrong 💔

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:07 PM

47. Which proves that she doesn't read her Bible.

If she did she would know there are many contradicting statements made as well false statements.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:10 PM

48. Sign her to a contract, on the spot

Tell her you want to publicize it. Get that essay in writing. She could be committed in a few weeks.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:11 PM

49. Evangelicals are THE PROBLEM

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:16 PM

50. Drain the swamp meant drain logic and reason out of his supporters' minds

it was never about corruption

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:31 PM

52. Evangelicals are THE problem.

They are neither compassionate nor true Christians and it’s time they are called out for what they are.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:33 PM

53. I think it really got started with the holy roller movement out of which the "Charismatic Movement"

evolved and then the evangelicals and after them will be more and more. As a movement moves out of favor some street corner preacher will start something new blaming all those before them for the sin in the world. If and when the IRS law requires the preachers to hold theological degrees, I can see no hope..Too much money to be made like it is.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:25 PM

57. Evilvangelcals

Have a very narcissistic veiw of the bible. Just read the end times crap and read it from a bullies perspective. A chosen one who is rewarded to be a priest king and bash his enemies with iron rods. Those in heaven can see people suffering in hell.. It's all disgusting. That is why I am a malthiest..

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:07 PM

61. The answer is in your OP.

Someone who believes every word of the Bible is true possesses no ability to distinguish fact from fiction.

This is a library of books composed and compiled over hundreds of years that contains contradictory information and is read today in translations of translations of transcriptions of transcriptions.

It's a jumbled mess of oral and written traditions selected for inclusion using criteria meaningless to its modern audiences.

Anyone who believes every single word of the Bible is true is lying to themselves and to you. It is simply not possible to do so and be intellectually honest. Contradictions abound.

Therefore, anyone who claims that can absolutely also sincerely believe Trump is rooting out corruption. Because they lack basic critical thinking skills and will believe anything they choose to believe.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #61)

Sun Feb 16, 2020, 10:20 AM

64. You've given an excellent description of what the Bible really is.

This is a library of books composed and compiled over hundreds of years that contains contradictory information and is read today in translations of translations of transcriptions of transcriptions. It's a jumbled mess of oral and written traditions selected for inclusion using criteria meaningless to its modern audiences.


People who say they believe the authoritative word of god have picked the interpretation of a particular denomination, which selects parts of the bible to reinforce a belief system. Its impossible to actually believe something which is a huge, contradictory compilation.

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Response to milestogo (Reply #64)

Sun Feb 16, 2020, 10:26 AM

65. Thanks

I better be able to describe it. I have an advance degree in Divinity Studies with a concentration in comparative world mythology and hermeneutics. I love it when I get the door to door religious folks on my front step. "Sure, you're welcome to come in and discuss the Bible with me. I bet I can point out exactly where you get things wrong."

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #65)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:11 AM

68. All the door-to-door religious folks have quit coming to my house.

I'm always friendly, and I never point out exactly where they've got it wrong, but eventually they decide I'm the devil.

I don't have any degree in Divinity Studies but I did grow up in a family where bloody religious warfare was the favorite sport. It was like an expanded version of the Irish Troubles and every European religious war and persecution.

Christmas and Easter Holidays would always be ruined by fighting, yet year after year everyone kept coming back for more.

I'm still a little PTSD about Christmas.

My mom was a Jehovah's Witness when I was a kid until they kicked her out. As a young woman my mom had dreamed of being a nun, a creature of purity, until she met a leering, smoking, hard drinking Priest who made her very uncomfortable. Then she went to work in Hollywood for a prominent Catholic, met my dad on a television set, and they got married and had lots of babies.

She might have kept working when she got married and pregnant, but that was socially unacceptable in the 'fifties. She was pressured to be a housewife. That's when the Witnesses hooked her.

The only religion anyone in my Wild West family agreed upon was that they were not Mormon.

After my mom was booted out of the Witnesses we were Quaker. That also fit in with my heritage. A few of my ancestors fled Europe as Pacifists.

As a young adult I suffered a David Lynch version of "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." Fortunately we broke up before any wedding when I jumped out of her moving car after we'd committed a felony assault rescuing her girlfriend. She later married this girlfriend. I know she loved me in a way, but I was also the guy who proved to her young uncertain self and her parents she wasn't a lesbian. I never introduced her to my parents, maybe because they would have told me that.

I'm generally a Catholic heretic following after some of my ancestors. My wife and I had a Big Catholic Wedding and we raised our kids Catholic in the liberal intellectual tradition.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2020, 07:21 AM

62. Evangelicals are so sickening. And they're think they're so superior

To anyone who doesn’t believe exactly as they do.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Sun Feb 16, 2020, 04:04 PM

66. Show this person Fox's articles on Trump's scams. His stealing from charity and

his university scams and then continue to give them stuff from a network that they trust.

It will blow their frigging minds.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:24 AM

69. This sign says it all

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:29 AM

70. I think there are 2 types of evangelicals: the 1 that knows better but doesn't care

As long as they get their pro-"life" agenda pushed through. They are willing to turn a blind eye to EVERYTHING. You know. They are so pro "life", they are willing let children be locked up in cages and die.

And then you have the other kind where they will believe ANYTHING anyone says. They are the morons that can't reconcile facts, videos, or any data that goes against what they are told to believe on fox news. This is the idiocracy crowd. Expect to see a lot of Gatorade hoarding so they can water their plants.

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