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Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:15 AM

So what are we going to do if tRump wins again? Leave USA?


Seriously; I have been looking at other countries to relocate to.
Canada 🇨🇦 is my first choice as I have a sister in BC. I know there are expats on here, any tips?

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Reply So what are we going to do if tRump wins again? Leave USA? (Original post)
flying_wahini Feb 2020 OP
stonecutter357 Feb 2020 #1
handmade34 Feb 2020 #2
bdamomma Feb 2020 #10
malaise Feb 2020 #3
CurtEastPoint Feb 2020 #5
Laelth Feb 2020 #4
FM123 Feb 2020 #6
lark Feb 2020 #7
AllaN01Bear Feb 2020 #8
KPN Feb 2020 #9
ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2020 #11
CaptainTruth Feb 2020 #12
Arkansas Granny Feb 2020 #13
Backseat Driver Feb 2020 #14
SlogginThroughIt Feb 2020 #15
VOX Feb 2020 #16
mnhtnbb Feb 2020 #17
flying_wahini Feb 2020 #18
leftyladyfrommo Feb 2020 #19
Brainfodder Feb 2020 #20
OliverQ Feb 2020 #21

Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:18 AM

1. No way i would leave my country to trump and his un-American racist pigs !

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:19 AM

2. stay and fight

This is the DU member formerly known as handmade34.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:51 AM

10. That would be the

honorable thing to do, but there will be others who have the option of leaving if they choose too.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:20 AM

3. He won't win again

Knowing the fucking coward he may not even run - don't rule out a late withdrawal.
He is known for cutting and running when things get really hot.

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:24 AM

5. oh please yes because Pence would lose.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:23 AM

4. Impeach him again.

There are plenty more offenses for which he can be charged.

-Laelth

P.S. I seriously doubt that Trump will win in November, but I played along with this hypothetical, regardless.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:26 AM

6. When we take back the Senate in November

(if that orange idiot is still in the WH) we kick him hard then we kick him out.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:26 AM

7. It's definitely a consideration for us.

My sister would move with us but it's our adult kids that I would miss so much. We have good friends in NZ and we know we could move to their region, but it's so very far away. With climate change, I've heard NZ will withstand the changes better than any other place. We've heard really good things about the Algarave (think that's the spelling?) region in Portugal and the other day saw a program where Italy looked very affordable. We're old and I'm partially disabled now so not good at fighting in the street.

Growing up I always admired the Germans who saw the rise of Hitler for what it was and who upended their lives and moved out of the country before the shit hit the fan. I always said I'd be like them and wouldn't get stuck in the middle of a fascist regime. It's easy to be starry eyed when not confronted with the reality, but not so easy when the reality is hitting us in the face.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:39 AM

8. staying

displays the last great act of defiance .

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:45 AM

9. Leaving the country is not a reslisrltic option for most.

If tRump wins, it will only be because he/they stole another election. If that happens, we have a bonafide dictator. The only thing left is massive protests in the capitol. Shutting down DC with millions of human bodies is the only thing that will remove him.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:51 AM

11. I would stay in the US, but travel abroad more. ...

See the world as much as I can before I leave this world. Party like it's 1999 as I go crazy in the Purple Rain because Baby, I'm A Star.


Damn!I still miss Prince.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:00 AM

12. First, I will fight to make sure Trump loses.

If he wins, I will stay & fight in any way I can to protect my country.

Edit to add: I'm convinced that Trumpism won't last forever. These societal attitudes swing back & forth like a pendulum over time. Look at Europe, where several countries have had fascist/authoritarian rulers for a while, then rejected it to become more liberal, then started swinging back toward authoritarian, as is happening now in Italy with the recent rise of Lega Nord (Northern League).

I think in America we've been lucky because this is the first time our pendulum has swung so far in the authoritarian direction. I also believe that when the pendulum swings this far in one direction, you can expect it to swing equally far in the opposite direction as people become angry about extremist policies & become motivated to work against them.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:44 AM

13. That's not an option for me. For one thing, I will not allow Trump to have that much power

over me to displace me from my country. For another, my family will still be here and we are going to have to stick together if he gets another 4 years (or more?) in order to survive and put the country back together again once he's gone.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:49 AM

14. No leaving - civil disobedience!

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:12 AM

15. Have been thinking about this a lot.

 

I have kids and while I would prefer to stay and fight, I donít see how it is fair to saddle them with what this country is becoming because I want it to be something else. I donít like what they are exposed to now, I certainly donít want them living through another 4 years not to mention what may come after.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:58 AM

16. Don't throw in the towel. Let's work on getting a good candidate elected first...

Rather than using that effort and energy toward contemplating the best destination for sanctuary. This OUR home, and Iíll be goddamned if I just turn tail and run without a hard fight.

We are experiencing the death-throes of a nihilistic political party, and their reptilian sense of survival is subverting the rule of law and turning the country upside-down. For now.

But as sure as the tides go in and out, they will fall.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:28 PM

17. There is a DU'er who last year moved to France

from Philly with his wife. I think he had previously lived abroad.

I have friends in France and have thought about going either to France, Portugal, Spain, or Italy. There are ex Pat groups in many of those countries where it would be possible to meet some new friends.

Going alone at my age gives me pause. By the time we know the outcome of the November election, I will be pushing 70. Although I'm in pretty good health, I do have arthritis and have already had 3 joint replacements (2 hips and 1 knee). If I have to have the other knee, it will be hard to do without anyone to help while recovering.

I have suggested several times to my oldest son that he and his partner--they are gay--should seriously consider Canada. Both in tech and could probably easily get jobs. Then they could sponsor me. But so far, they aren't interested.

So, I don't know. I'm keeping my options open. Don't own a house. My apartment lease is up 2 months after the election.

I have a feeling I'm going to hope for the best and develop a plan for the worst that might involve leaving if Dems don't take the White House and Senate.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:11 PM

18. Hoping for the best and planning for the worst is what I am doing too.



Canada is looking better and better. Just donít get too close to the oceans.

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:33 PM

19. I am not leaving my home because of that asshole! nt

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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:35 PM

20. Maybe?

Blob's lies/diet/lifestyle have to catch up with him?

I am surprised he still is alive tbh.

Brain might be mushy due to all the diet drinks and rumored drug use over a life? (10+ toilet flushes babble that should be called out for what it is: EVIDENCE)

It's not like he's an actual hard body taking care of himself, he's a 73 year old blob.

He must have seemed real cool on that TV show I didn't watch?

One leaked medical file, leaked tax returns, leaked college grades, etc etc. there are things to be getting at....
Deep dive [Opposition Research] done all the time?
Guessing a few greased palms is all it would take?

You'd think all this awful would be motivating enough!?!






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Response to flying_wahini (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:38 PM

21. I'm already looking into moving out of the US, but

 

I don't really have any good options. I don't work in a career field that can easily transfer to other countries and I'm not rich.

I'm feeling super depressed over the prospects of being trapped here if Trump wins again.

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