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I guess with all the cheating the Houston Astros did (Original Post) kairos12 Feb 2020 OP
Excellent observation! jls4561 Feb 2020 #1
Now Trump will pardon those guys. CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #2
I like how their owner discounted the cheating gratuitous Feb 2020 #3
That is brilliant! I may have to steal it. 11 Bravo Feb 2020 #6
Some little league teams may be changing their names JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2020 #4
Please. KatyMan Feb 2020 #5
What cheating are you referring to? gratuitous Feb 2020 #8
Sox KatyMan Feb 2020 #12
'51 Giants KatyMan Feb 2020 #13
Hank Aaron shares his views Brother Buzz Feb 2020 #10
Isn't that the Bush family's favorite team malaise Feb 2020 #7
Dub (W) used to be part owner of the Rangers rurallib Feb 2020 #9
And the Steinbrenners et al are such great people KatyMan Feb 2020 #11
The Bosox should be getting a lot of hate, too Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #14

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
2. Now Trump will pardon those guys.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:31 PM
Feb 2020

Maybe he's got the entire list of white collar criminals on a spreadsheet. Should equal half a national forest.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. I like how their owner discounted the cheating
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:35 PM
Feb 2020

No big deal if a batter knows what pitch is coming, according to the Astros owner. The knee-jerk reaction to such a stupid statement is, then why cheat if it doesn't make any difference, fucknuts?!

But okay, I'll play along. As punishment for this incredibly orchestrated cheating, the Astros are forbidden to use signals between the pitcher and the catcher for the next, oh, 10 years. Every pitch, the catcher has to yell to the pitcher "Fastball!" or "Curve!" so everyone in the ball park knows what's coming. Doesn't make any difference, according to the Astros owner.

KatyMan

(4,190 posts)
5. Please.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:47 PM
Feb 2020

How about the cheating the Red Sox and Yanked did? Or that all teams do? Why not have a league wide, full blown investigation of all teams rather than singling out one?

Or better yet, how about scoring some runs, like the Dodgers, Sox and Yankees couldn't do against them? Lance McCullers threw 24 straight curveball to close out the ALCS against NY in 2017. They knew they were coming but didn't seem to help. You still have to hit the ball.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. What cheating are you referring to?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:59 PM
Feb 2020

For the Astros, it wasn't just one guy corking his bat or something. Houston had stadium personnel mount those cameras in the outfield, and hooked them up to monitors in the dugout that couldn't be seen by the casual observer. When an opposing player spotted the monitor in the Astros dugout, the team took it down right away to avoid any unwelcome attention from the umpires. Someone in the dugout had to be watching the monitor, and relay what he saw to some guy banging on a garbage can, the bangs signaling to the batter what the pitch was. This was the whole organization coordinating the cheating.

Yeah, you still have to hit the ball and score runs, but when one team piles up an additional two or three runs a game, it makes it that much more difficult to prevail. Playing from behind in the late innings is significantly different from playing with a lead. Everyone knew that Mariano Rivera was going to throw that cut fastball of his, but when the batter is pressing, that really good pitch becomes that much more effective.

The light punishment doled out to the Astros tells me that the owners aren't concerned with the integrity of the game.

KatyMan

(4,190 posts)
13. '51 Giants
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 06:00 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/How-every-Major-League-Baseball-team-cheat-history-15070697.php

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6186829

Mr. JOSHUA PRAGER (Author, The Echoing Green): There was a clubhouse in centerfield at The Polo Grounds that looked out directly onto the field. And the Giants set a coach - Herman Franks, who had been the third base coach -they positioned him in the fourth window there, and they gave him a telescope. And he peered through that window with this telescope at the finger signals of the opposing catchers. And once he had sussed(ph) out the sign, he pressed the button. And that button buzzed a buzzer in the right field bullpen, where the Giant pitchers were warming up.

One buzz was a fastball. Two buzzes was an off-speed pitch. And it was there that a backup catcher - generally, Sal Yvars - relayed the sign to the batter. So pretty much, it went spying the sign, relaying the signal and then relaying it by a hand signal to the batter.

Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
10. Hank Aaron shares his views
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:42 PM
Feb 2020

Craig Melvin: They didn't steal signs back in your days?

Aaron: They did. They didn't steal them that way.

KatyMan

(4,190 posts)
11. And the Steinbrenners et al are such great people
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:56 PM
Feb 2020

you can't judge a team by their fans, that's being really really petty.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
14. The Bosox should be getting a lot of hate, too
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:25 PM
Feb 2020

but I have no doubt they'll eventually skate on this like Patriots did on everything...

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