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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI guess with all the cheating the Houston Astros did
it's appropriate their ballpark used to be called Enron Field.
I would normally post this in the baseball group but it seems reflective of our general times.
jls4561
(1,257 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Maybe he's got the entire list of white collar criminals on a spreadsheet. Should equal half a national forest.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)No big deal if a batter knows what pitch is coming, according to the Astros owner. The knee-jerk reaction to such a stupid statement is, then why cheat if it doesn't make any difference, fucknuts?!
But okay, I'll play along. As punishment for this incredibly orchestrated cheating, the Astros are forbidden to use signals between the pitcher and the catcher for the next, oh, 10 years. Every pitch, the catcher has to yell to the pitcher "Fastball!" or "Curve!" so everyone in the ball park knows what's coming. Doesn't make any difference, according to the Astros owner.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)KatyMan
(4,190 posts)How about the cheating the Red Sox and Yanked did? Or that all teams do? Why not have a league wide, full blown investigation of all teams rather than singling out one?
Or better yet, how about scoring some runs, like the Dodgers, Sox and Yankees couldn't do against them? Lance McCullers threw 24 straight curveball to close out the ALCS against NY in 2017. They knew they were coming but didn't seem to help. You still have to hit the ball.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)For the Astros, it wasn't just one guy corking his bat or something. Houston had stadium personnel mount those cameras in the outfield, and hooked them up to monitors in the dugout that couldn't be seen by the casual observer. When an opposing player spotted the monitor in the Astros dugout, the team took it down right away to avoid any unwelcome attention from the umpires. Someone in the dugout had to be watching the monitor, and relay what he saw to some guy banging on a garbage can, the bangs signaling to the batter what the pitch was. This was the whole organization coordinating the cheating.
Yeah, you still have to hit the ball and score runs, but when one team piles up an additional two or three runs a game, it makes it that much more difficult to prevail. Playing from behind in the late innings is significantly different from playing with a lead. Everyone knew that Mariano Rivera was going to throw that cut fastball of his, but when the batter is pressing, that really good pitch becomes that much more effective.
The light punishment doled out to the Astros tells me that the owners aren't concerned with the integrity of the game.
KatyMan
(4,190 posts)https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6186829
Mr. JOSHUA PRAGER (Author, The Echoing Green): There was a clubhouse in centerfield at The Polo Grounds that looked out directly onto the field. And the Giants set a coach - Herman Franks, who had been the third base coach -they positioned him in the fourth window there, and they gave him a telescope. And he peered through that window with this telescope at the finger signals of the opposing catchers. And once he had sussed(ph) out the sign, he pressed the button. And that button buzzed a buzzer in the right field bullpen, where the Giant pitchers were warming up.
One buzz was a fastball. Two buzzes was an off-speed pitch. And it was there that a backup catcher - generally, Sal Yvars - relayed the sign to the batter. So pretty much, it went spying the sign, relaying the signal and then relaying it by a hand signal to the batter.
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)Craig Melvin: They didn't steal signs back in your days?
Aaron: They did. They didn't steal them that way.
malaise
(268,930 posts)asking for a friend
rurallib
(62,406 posts)maybe still is.
KatyMan
(4,190 posts)you can't judge a team by their fans, that's being really really petty.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)but I have no doubt they'll eventually skate on this like Patriots did on everything...