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marmar

(77,049 posts)
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 08:43 AM Sep 2012

Arctic ice melting at 'amazing' speed, scientists find


BBC:



Scientists in the Arctic are warning that this summer's record-breaking melt is part of an accelerating trend with profound implications.

Norwegian researchers report that the sea ice is becoming significantly thinner and more vulnerable.

Last month, the annual thaw of the region's floating ice reached the lowest level since satellite monitoring began, more than 30 years ago.

It is thought the scale of the decline may even affect Europe's weather.

The melt is set to continue for at least another week - the peak is usually reached in mid-September - while temperatures here remain above freezing. ....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19508906



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Arctic ice melting at 'amazing' speed, scientists find (Original Post) marmar Sep 2012 OP
It really is...probably not the biggest ice-free area in just 30 years, but maybe a thousand years HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #1
How long? Esse Quam Videri Sep 2012 #2
Some are now saying "next 10 years..." jimlup Sep 2012 #4
So what will be the overall effect on the ecosystem? Esse Quam Videri Sep 2012 #5
As I see it jimlup Sep 2012 #6
The Earth has been hotter before... sibelian Sep 2012 #10
Yes but we are seeing an event which may have a precedent... jimlup Sep 2012 #11
Are you sure you're not thinking of the PETM? hatrack Sep 2012 #12
yep! jimlup Sep 2012 #13
Scary shit. TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #3
Paul Ryan says it's not real: jsr Sep 2012 #7
HOW did this idiot get to ANY position of power? sibelian Sep 2012 #9
Our collective future is going to become interesting. Quantess Sep 2012 #8
Thanks for this...some informative videos with the article, too! countryjake Sep 2012 #14

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
1. It really is...probably not the biggest ice-free area in just 30 years, but maybe a thousand years
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:28 AM
Sep 2012

It'll be interesting from here on...



Esse Quam Videri

(685 posts)
2. How long?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:34 AM
Sep 2012

How long before it is completely gone? How many animals will perish because there is no longer any ice in the summer?

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
4. Some are now saying "next 10 years..."
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:21 AM
Sep 2012

very scary shit... I'm alarmed and I'm trained as a scientist to take a cautious view of data.

Esse Quam Videri

(685 posts)
5. So what will be the overall effect on the ecosystem?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 10:27 AM
Sep 2012

Will we see extinction of certain species? Polar bears come to mind? Also, is there similar melting underway in the Arctic? I seem to remember about a year or so back about a huge ice sheet that broke off down there but what about overall melting?

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
6. As I see it
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 12:11 PM
Sep 2012

(and while I'm a scientist I'm specifically not a climate scientist) it will be catastrophic. The effects on the Northern Hemisphere will be quite dramatic at many levels. I'm also now quite concerned about a locked carbon tipping point due to both methane clathrates and also previously frozen peat bogs.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
10. The Earth has been hotter before...
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:33 PM
Sep 2012

the earth has a tendency to ice ages, and we're coming out of one now. Having said that, she speed at which all this is happening is breathtaking and very alarming. It's very difficult to see how we can avoid a colossal number of extinctions.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
11. Yes but we are seeing an event which may have a precedent...
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:43 PM
Sep 2012

about 56million years ago. I believe it is called the Younger-Drier (sp?) but not being a climate scientist I may have misspelled it. Anyway during that time there was a dramatic spike in CO2 and also heat. It was a very short event and my understanding is that climate scientists believe that it resulted from the sudden release of previously trapped carbon.

Anyway if that is what we are going through frankly that's very very bad.

hatrack

(59,572 posts)
12. Are you sure you're not thinking of the PETM?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:57 PM
Sep 2012

Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum.

The most extreme change in Earth surface conditions during the Cenozoic Era began just after the temporal boundary between the Paleocene and Eocene epochs around 55.0 million years ago. This event, the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM, alternatively "Eocene thermal maximum 1" (ETM1), and formerly known as the "Initial Eocene" or "Late Paleocene Thermal Maximum",[1] (IETM/LPTM)), was associated with rapid (in geological terms) global warming, profound changes in ecosystems, and major perturbations in the carbon cycle.

Global temperatures rose by about 6 °C (11 °F) over a period of approximately 20,000 years. That is a 0.0003 °C (.00055 °F) increase per year. Many benthic foraminifera and terrestrial mammals became extinct, but numerous modern mammalian orders emerged. The event is linked to a prominent negative excursion in carbon stable isotope (?13C) records from across the globe, and dissolution of carbonate deposited on all ocean basins. The latter observations strongly suggest that a massive input of 13C-depleted carbon entered the hydrosphere or atmosphere at the start of the PETM. Recently, geoscientists have begun to investigate the PETM to better understand the fate and transport of increasing greenhouse-gas emissions over millennial time scales.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

Of course, it took 20,000 years for temperatures to go up 6C back then. It's starting to look like we'll be able to do the same thing in about 100 years. Oops.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
7. Paul Ryan says it's not real:
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sep 2012


“These e-mails from leading climatologists make clear efforts to use statistical tricks to distort their findings and intentionally mislead the public on the issue of climate change.” - Paul Ryan
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