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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:34 AM

What a young woman said to Adlai Stevenson, Jr., Democratic nominee for President, in 1952...

“Governor, every thinking person would be voting for you.”

Stevenson replied: “Madam, that is not enough. I need a majority.”



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Reply What a young woman said to Adlai Stevenson, Jr., Democratic nominee for President, in 1952... (Original post)
Kid Berwyn Feb 2020 OP
underpants Feb 2020 #1
Kid Berwyn Feb 2020 #3
Archae Feb 2020 #2
Kid Berwyn Feb 2020 #4
homegirl Feb 2020 #5
StevieM Feb 2020 #6
Butterflylady Feb 2020 #7
StevieM Feb 2020 #10
homegirl Feb 2020 #15
shockey80 Feb 2020 #8
Kid Berwyn Feb 2020 #12
PatrickforO Feb 2020 #9
Kid Berwyn Feb 2020 #13
Wednesdays Feb 2020 #11
Kid Berwyn Feb 2020 #14
Wednesdays Feb 2020 #16

Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:36 AM

1. Love that quote.

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:13 AM

3. That makes me glad. Wish more knew his wisdom...

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:39 AM

2. Yup, and Stevenson was attacked as an "egghead."

It was just one aspect of the "Cult Of Ignorance" that Isaac Asimov wrote about a couple years after that election.

Instead we got "We Like Ike" and his vice-president who "traveled the country by sewer," Richard Nixon.

The "Cult Of Ignorance" has mutated, today it's the "Cult of Stupidity."
Just look at those Trump rallies.

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:25 AM

4. Ignorance really must be contagious.

The antidote should be truth, but I think it’s “belief.”



(Ideo)Logical Reasoning: Ideology Impairs Sound Reasoning

Abstract

Beliefs shape how people interpret information and may impair how people engage in logical reasoning. In 3 studies, we show how ideological beliefs impair people's ability to: (1) recognize logical validity in arguments that oppose their political beliefs, and, (2) recognize the lack of logical validity in arguments that support their political beliefs. We observed belief bias effects among liberals and conservatives who evaluated the logical soundness of classically structured logical syllogisms supporting liberal or conservative beliefs. Both liberals and conservatives frequently evaluated the logical structure of entire arguments based on the believability of arguments’ conclusions, leading to predictable patterns of logical errors. As a result, liberals were better at identifying flawed arguments supporting conservative beliefs and conservatives were better at identifying flawed arguments supporting liberal beliefs. These findings illuminate one key mechanism for how political beliefs distort people’s abilities to reason about political topics soundly.

https://psyarxiv.com/hspjz



Old news to you, Archae. Shocking news to most US citizens, if only they could know.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:26 PM

5. First time I voted,

went with my parents to the polling location and proudly voted for Stevenson!

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Response to homegirl (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:48 PM

6. Was that in 1952 or 1956? (eom)

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Response to StevieM (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:59 PM

7. I know it was1952 because I remember

As a kid saying "I like Ike." 1956 I don't remember as well.

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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:48 PM

10. I think you might be misunderstanding the post I replied to.

The poster I responded to wasn't the OP (original poster). It was someone who had responded to the OP themselves. I then posted to her.

It wasn't clear from her comments which election she was talking about. She only said that he first time voting was when she went with her parents to the polling place to vote for Stevenson. She must have been at least 21, which was the voting age back then, but it could have happened in either 1952 or 1956.

But that is a cool story about your memories of "I like Ike" from when you were a kid. I appreciate your sharing it.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 24, 2020, 04:19 AM

15. OK, I am a really old lady...

1956

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:04 PM

8. I believe it was Stephenson who was approached by the Russians in the 1960 election.

 

He, unlike Trump, exposed it. He notified Ike who was still president.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:14 PM

12. You know, that's been MISSING from coverage about the Trump-Russia Thing

Thank you for bringing the “propaganda support” to my attention, shockey80!



How Adlai Stevenson Stopped Russian Interference in the 1960 Election

The Soviets offered the former presidential candidate propaganda support if he ran in 1960, an offer he politely declined


By Jason Daley
The Smithsonian Magazine, January 4, 2017

One of the ongoing narratives in the aftermath of this year's election is the U.S. intelligence community's claim that Russia sought to influence the race through hacking and social media. While those stories continue to develop, historian Bruce W. Dearstyne writes at History News Network writes that it’s not the first time Russia—at that time the Soviet Union—tried to influence a presidential election.

Adlai Stevenson II was a popular governor of Illinois between 1949 and 1953, known as a witty, articulate and smart politician. He was the Democratic nominee for president in 1952 and 1956, losing both times to Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower. During the 1956 campaign, he advocated a ban on the testing of hydrogen bombs, a stance that led to accusations of Stevenson being “soft” on national security issues.

It also led the Soviets to believe that he might be someone they could work with, reports Dearstyne. Stevenson publically stated he would not seek the nomination again in 1960. But Soviet ambassador Mikhail A. Menshikov hoped he would reconsider. On January 16, 1960, Menshikov invited Stevenson to the embassy for caviar and drinks to thank him for helping negotiate Soviet premier Nikita Kruschev's visit to the U.S. But there was an ulterior motive. At one point, reports John Bartlow Martin at American Heritage, Menshikov pulled notes from his pocket and began delivering Stevenson a message he said came directly from his boss, encouraging him to seriously consider another run for president. In a memorandum dictated a week later, Stevenson recounted Menshikov’s speech:

“Before returning last week from Moscow, he [Menshikov] had spent considerable time alone with Premier Khrushchev. He [Khrushchev] wishes me [Menshikov] to convey the following: When you met in Moscow in August, 1958, he [Khrushchev] said to you that he had voted for you in his heart in 1956. He says now that he will vote for you in his heart again in 1960. We have made a beginning with President Eisenhower and Khrushchev’s visit to America toward better relations, but it is only a beginning. We are concerned with the future, and that America has the right President. All countries are concerned with the American election. It is impossible for us not to be concerned about our future and the American Presidency which is so important to everybody everywhere.

“In Russia we know well Mr. Stevenson and his views regarding disarmament, nuclear testing, peaceful coexistence, and the conditions of a peaceful world. He has said many sober and correct things during his visit to Moscow and in his writings and speeches. When we compare all the possible candidates in the United States we feel that Mr. Stevenson is best for mutual understanding and progress toward peace. These are the views not only of myself—Khrushchev—but of the Presidium. We believe that Mr. Stevenson is more of a realist than others and is likely to understand Soviet anxieties and purposes. Friendly relations and cooperation between our countries are imperative for all. Sober realism and sensible talks are necessary to the settlement of international problems. Only on the basis of coexistence can we hope to really find proper solutions to our many problems.

“The Soviet Union wishes to develop relations with the United States on a basis which will forever exclude the possibility of conflict. We believe our system is best and will prevail. You, Mr. Stevenson, think the same about yours. So we both say, let the competition proceed, but excluding any possibility of conflict.

“Because we know the ideas of Mr. Stevenson, we in our hearts all favor him. And you Ambassador Menshikov must ask him which way we could be of assistance to those forces in the United States which favor friendly relations. We don’t know how we can help to make relations better and help those to succeed in political life who wish for better relations and more confidence. Could the Soviet press assist Mr. Stevenson’s personal success? How? Should the press praise him, and, if so, for what? Should it criticize him, and, if so, for what? (We can always find many things to criticize Mr. Stevenson for because he has said many harsh and critical things about the Soviet Union and Communism!) Mr. Stevenson will know best what would help him."


Dearstyne writes that the ambassador made it clear that the Russians were no fans of the likely Republican nominee, Vice President Richard Nixon, especially after the Kitchen Debate between Khruschev and Nixon in July 1959.

Continues...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-adlai-stevenson-stopped-russian-interference-1960-election-180961681/



Wow! As in in Nunes Holy Cow!

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:07 PM

9. The 'egghead' smear was the first shot in the GOP's efforts to dumb us down.

By creating a culture of militant ignorance, Republicans (and their corporate funders) ensure that we are docile sheep who, instead of thinking, are obedient workers. Problem is the tech revolution is upon us and it demands at least some critical thinking skills. Troubleshooting, problem solving.

To to the Wall Street corporate lizards, I say, "You cannot have it BOTH ways!"

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:15 PM

13. Every word you said.

“Only the educated are free.” — Epictetus

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:41 PM

11. Eighty years ago, it was the Republicans who were seen as the eggheads

such as Wendell Willkie and Thomas Dewey. It was the Democrats back then who were perceived as the "dumb ones," maybe in part because much support came from "ignorant Dixiecrats."



That perception changed as the Dixiecrats' influence on the Democratic party waned.

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:29 PM

14. The Democratic Roosevelt saved the country twice.

Thank you, President Franklin D. Roosevelt.



His policies defeated the Depression and built the great American middle class.

His leadership won World War 2 and built the industrial might to keep us free during the Cold War.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 06:28 PM

16. True, that.

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